Dane Wigington
GeoengineeringWatch.org
Is our seasonal weather natural? Is there anything natural that can be found today?
The Coronavirus continues its advance while stock markets rapidly retreat all over the world. Even now, very few in first world nations understand the gravity and immediacy of what is unfolding, biosphere collapse is core to the equation. We are not facing a temporary scenario, we are free falling into a completely overturned paradigm. Those who actually control governments are concerned only with retaining their power no matter what the cost. Are the power brokers willing to cull populations in order to maintain their stranglehold of control till the brutal bitter end? What do you think? The latest installment of Global Alert News is below.
Can our collective efforts still make a difference? How can we know for certain, unless we try? All are needed in the critical battle to wake populations to what is coming, we must make every day count. Share credible data from a credible source, make your voice heard.
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The Climate engineers have just left a glaring red flag of evidence which conclusively proves their ongoing engineered winter operations (photo below). Mainstream media has labeled it a "Bizzarre Snow Strip" that was 15 miles wide, and hundreds of miles long across the state of Kansas. The "snow stripe" was laid out over flat terrain with no significant elevation changes. Of course MSM attempts to explain away the "snow stripe" as being a rare "natural" occurrence, which it is not. The "snow stripe" is the result of a geoengineering jet sprayed dispersion of patented chemical ice nucleation elements over the top of moisture laden clouds. As the climate engineers become ever more desperate to engineer "winter weather", they are leaving behind some very blatant evidence that clearly reveal their ongoing operations.
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I found this website today because I read this letter that is circulating around facebook which says that the Coronavirus (like most flus) doesn't do well in warm temps. Then when driving across the Mojave desert last weekend the trails in the sky were in mass. A few days later they actually had tornado warnings in that area. The weather was warm driving back and other than the chemtrails the sky was blue and clear now today it's raining and is expected to continue. I can't help but think it's a way to keep the virus alive so more people get it. This is the letter:
I received this from a very good friend and wanted to pass it on:
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT – CORONAVIRUS
Last evening i received this from a colleague who worked in Shenzhen Hospital (Guangdong Province, China) he sent me the following notes on Coronavirus for guidance:
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours – so if you come into contact with any metal surface – wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but – a lot can happen during that time – you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasise enough – drink plenty of water!
THE SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
SPREAD THE WORD – PLEASE SHARE.
We checked out The Eyes of Darkness by Koontz on Abe Books where we buy many books for a buck or two. This one starts at $94 and goes all the way to $3000+ WTF??
From Italy. There are so many things that are suspicious about the hype of the coronavirus.
We are constantly being shown photos on the media of loads of people wearing masks in public places, airports and on trains etc., which ensures mass panic. But experience shows things differently! My husband had to go to the UK. We expected long delays and checks at the airport. He left Italy – no checks and no one with masks on. He arrived at London Stansted airport (an international airport with thousands of people) – NO CHECKS for coronavirus! In fact he was in the airport for about 3 hrs and there must have been about 5000 people coming and going and he only saw TWO young oriental people with masks on! He traveled by train across the country and did not see any precautions or checks and no one wearing masks (yet the media shows us people on trains wearing masks everywhere on public transport). I think the agenda is to make sure this virus spreads panic and for it to easily spread across the globe. Fearful people are easy to control and we know that any so called "measures" implemented in a lock-down situation often remain in place long after the threat goes. It is another way to destroy what civil liberties we have left and to make people submit to mass vaccination. (and I recently renewed my ID card and had to submit to digital fingerprints being taken!)
Italy could be a target for several reasons. I believe in 2019 they were to meet with Chinese officials with regard to trade and to infrastructure development of the New Silk Road from China. At the time, the press covered it with an article in which France and Germany were totally against them having this meeting and collaborating with the Chinese and "advised " Italy not to go ahead with the meeting. But they did so.
What a red flag. The President saying coronavirus was a MIRACLE! Of course, the US government would like China taken out of the equation. And we know that the elites have been planning on a financial crash for a long time. It's good for them, they buy up the stocks when they crash and make billions. Also, another red flag was the WHO not declaring the virus a pandemic because of the losses which would be incurred by their Pandemic Bonds. How sick the world is. The WHO is part of the power structure as is the UN.
Another reason Italy could have so many cases of coronavirus, is that the majority of the population are brainwashed into visiting the pharmacy for any cough or sniffle and are regularly given antibiotics for everything, like giving candy – hence they have reduced immunity. And the fact, that so much pasta is eaten that also reduces the immune system in the gut (sticks to it like glue). 80% of the immune system is in the intestines.
Social media is deliberately blocking the Vitamin C articles stating that in China people have recovered or, in some cases, whole families not been infected by taking vitamin C in high doses.
Weather: During some days in February we had hot temperatures. Some days up to 75F at the front of the house. Even the Geckos have appeared on the outside wall in February!! This is dire as there is very little insect life for them to survive on at this time of year. They normally don't come out until about July! I have not seen any lizards and normally they would be out in warm weather. They may not have survived through the mild winter with very little insect life to eat.
So, hot temperatures during the day and then planes coming over when it got dark and suddenly the temperature plummeted some nights to below freezing. The intense difference was so noticeable to us. In a tee shirt one minute to sweaters, long trousers and long socks the next. A typical "chemical cool-down".
The last few days we have had extreme high winds which are like switched on and off rapidly. So strong it is lifting the tiles on the house. Probably they are playing with HAARP. We know that when the high winds come the next is a change in the weather.
The barometer has consistently shown high pressure for months and we have had virtually no rain. I wonder if the same is planned for us as for California. The soil is like dust and plants are dying. Every day it is necessary to water the garden. Neighbours report peach trees dying and plants not growing as they should.
I reported about a month ago that we went to the spring to getting drinking water and there was NONE. We decided to go to see if it had recovered last weekend. NO WATER at all coming from a spring where we have gathered drinking water for 10 years! So, we drove to another spring half way up the mountain in the hope we could get water. At first sight, it didn't look good. Out of five spouts that normally had water coming out from the mountain there were only two trickling out. So at least we picked up some water. This is dire news. Normally in February water would be pouring out and also coming down the hillside. We live in an area where our water reservoir for the houses is fed by a spring. If that dries up too the water supply of several houses will have to be brought in by tanker – at what cost?
Here in drought ridden Australia, we have just had 'unprecedented', un-seasonal bush fires, 10 months after a group of us witnessed the entire sky above Gippsland, south east Australia, crisscrossed with high altitude trails. Until then, I had dismissed 'Chem trails', but now I am convinced there is a plan to dry, burn, insure, regulate and rate people off the land.
All this is good information but how in the world do we stop all this from happening!!
Hello, Rudy, in regard to your question on how we can move this fight forward, FYI https://dev.geoengineeringwatch.org/how-do-we-stop-climate-engineering-only-way-forward/
My take on the culling of the herd is that a vaccination for the Covid19 virus exist, just not for you or me. Let's see how many of our masters will go unscathed. Just saying.
Just in time for the next State of the Union address: A "speech" aid for the First Primate! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdZxdFRmx0I
Dane, are you aware of the movingthegiants.com project? Watched a short documentary of David Milarch, former Michigan Arborist who made it his life ambition to save the old growth sequoia/redwoods. He & son began propagating the ancient seeds & planting seedlings on the coast in Oregon. It was very moving to watch!
Hi Everyone….
In continuation from my comment stated February 22nd, we have had more weather extremes. From it being in the high 20's one day and then and going up to the high 60's. We Never had this type of weather in NC. I mentioned that our pine trees are not as green in the Winter months anymore to my friend Daryl, who lives in Alabama, and he said that his pine trees are also not as green but rather brown and have less and less pine needles as well. I also spoke to a gentleman who is running for commissioner and mentioned the Chem-trail Sprays and he stated that he was aware of them, but that he felt not all of them were spraying the sky but they were rather Contrails. I then asked him why the pilots were confused and were going around in circles. I also mentioned the fact that we are two hours away from any Major Airports and are not in any flight patterns. He was then speechless so I handed him my card with the GeoEngineeringWatch.org website and he advised he would definitely look into it. My neighbors were there and were more concerned about the early political voting that was going on. Wow!! It is the same way when advising others about the Corona Virus and hearing their words of wisdom (NOT)!!! Again, the masses are still asleep. When speaking with my cousin up North about it, her husband yelled out that it's nothing to be concerned about because more people die from the Flu every year. Hmmm, then why aren't they Quarantined??? Why are they not banning international travel because of the Flu? Why are people purchasing N-95 Masks for this virus and not the Flu virus. So even with your own family and friends, you stand alone many times. Not a care in the world except having the latest expensive cars, Big Screen TV's and Alexa in their Smart (Dumb) homes. Sorry for the rant, but it really infuriates me when they just act nonchalant about our dying earth. Two different friends in two different states sent me info on a book written in 1981 by Dean Koontz entitled "The Eyes of Darkness" where it shows a Bio-weapon Virus that would be from Wuhan in the year 2020. And Amazon has that book for about $800. Seems like many people who have heard about it want to read it. God bless Dane and everyone who actually cares about what is going on in our country and all over the entire world.
dear laurie – pilots going round in circles – hahahaha love it – you clever person – made oi laf
dear earth angel – your name says it all
dear horseman – a room with a view – hahahahahaha
ah dennie – know how you feel – but i cannot always live with the knowledge of other peoples idiocy – tis too painful and i know that many people who come to this site 'know' nature in the same way i do.
and because of that, the pain of knowing what it is the others are destroying, can make me suicidal – has always been so
knowing that there are others who feel and see the same pain and still want/have to look for the beauty whilst acknowledging the filth
keeps me going mate – and i do try to talk to others but here in essex, people seem particularly dumb and stupid
to all of you good souls out there however you try to share it all
and all thanks to dane – major stuff
dear all
can't concentrate on the evil at present so…… a question?
i am living in a flooded way at present but in the summer when some pylons came down and set a field nearby on fire i did become aware of the amount of wood in the garden
i burn the big bits to keep warm inside and use the smaller to make paths as i live on clay and it all gets very claggy in winter
what do you do with your waste – your human waste – read a wonderful book called humanure – an american book
if nothing is degrading can you not use the human waste to break down the wood
don't mean like spread it about – hahaha – but pile it – like a proper compost heap
don't know about your countryside – how hot it gets, or how cold – climate is something i have been fascinated by since doing a science degree concentrating on geography
human geography and biogeography plus geology etc was astounding for me, plus all the other stuff
so is my question stupid? am sure you have much bigger areas out there – have been told
i am just an english woman – no-where in britain is more than 70miles from the sea (think that's right) – scary really but that's why our language was littered with sailing expressions
now our language is just stupid – just like the sleepy people
on a lighter note – was sitting yesterday at my table watching the birds feeding and a moth/butterfly (?) fluttered by my head across the room – settled on my bookcase – and there it sits
its cold outside – must have hibernated in here – and now it is out
have tried to identify it – could be an 'old lady' mormo maura hahaha
hahahaha so funny – an old lady for an old lady
cannot put it out – so will sit with it, but what's to do – hope the spiders don't get it – or if it goes down too low – maybe a shrew will crunch it in the middle of the night – often hear a shrew munching its way through the spiders and woodlice
no – don't hoover much – prefer to meet wildlife head on – am lucky in this country – few dangerous insects – hahahaha apart from the hornet that stung my ear last year – definitely head on hahahaha – swelled up – inside my ear and down my neck – scary really – maybe an asian hornet
tis a joy – the wild life – keeps me going – sharing my hovel and garden with such creatures – not too keen on the two legged type – very stupid and greedy and arrogant
so thank you small flying thing for keeping my mind with the proper perspective
and love to you all out there trying to maintain your sanity in an ever increasing madness
and did you all know that 'women' or transitioning 'women' keep their penis's – yes women, no longer are you the other half of the human race – psychologically unsound men can now decide that they are 'women' and invade our spaces – like womens toilets – or the man who decided that he was a woman and so was put in a womans prison and then raped a woman and assaulted other women
and that young people who are confused about their gender are given puberty blocking chemicals – some as young as six!!!! it seems that some medical people really are like frankenstein
this idea has lost me totally – it makes me feel quite sick that children can be so interfered with by people who call themselves doctors
insanity has reached in places that leaves me gasping for clean air…….. and there is none
what in hell's name are we doing – do we deserve to carry on?
Hello penny waters: Your comments, observations and wisdoms are always appreciated. Thanks for sharing them. I too had a butterfly visitor share time with me last year and felt graced by it. I looked like a monarch type species (not certain if it actually is one), lovely orange rust color trimmed with black and some delicate white spots on it. Perfect, no tatters or broken wings anywhere on it. It fluttered about the purple butterfly bushes planted near the front steps of the house for a couple of days and stayed around. Looked like it was near the end of its journey and fading out. I said to it, (knowing that monarchs migrate each year to a certain spot in the southern hemisphere) if you are headed to south america you are a long way from your destination. It got weaker, (I couldn't help but wonder if the toxic sprays in the air were responsible for an early demise) allowed me to hold it on a couple of occasions and eventually it expired with me. I was struck by its perfect beauty and felt honored that it spent its last days with me. I still have it in the house and it brings a smile each time I see it; to marvel at this jewel of nature and the special time we spent in one another's company. Take care my friend across the pond I haven't met yet- but feel like I know!
Well, if we don't repent we don't deserve to carry on. "Business as usual" is going to come to a screeching halt at some point, no matter what. It's become extremely clear to me that 1. Your death wish should not dictate whether I live or not, and 2. We have choices and those are only going to be made for the greater good by mass collective effort. If we have collective sin, we also have collective good. That should be very apparent to everyone living in this overly individualistic Western world but it isn't. Too many don't want to notice how serious the predicament's become now and they somehow think they can continue "carrying on" in their own private little pink bubbles as long as they never look up, though looking UP is exactly the remedy that's so sorely needed right now ;-).
Penny, I like your first question about "humanure". It's a valid one for anyone that is not hooked into the grid per say. Personally, I have a 3 sided outhouse. "With a view"(grin). When it's well below freezing, it matters. And for those that shiver at the idea, let me tell ya, you get used to it. Actually, it's not as bad as one would think. It's actually a decent way to start the day(smile).
I was the kid that had a 'substantial' butterfly and moth collection. Back when chloroform came in your butterfly collecting kit. Believe me when I write. "Most', literally most of what I had collected no longer exists". Let that sink in for a moment. Regarding wild life, the decline and devastation I have witnessed in my 60 years of breathing air is more than alarming, just sayin. "Opinions may vary"…
"About 360,000 babies are born each day according to the UN. That’s more than 130 million a year."
Compare to number of deaths per day from corona virus…
How Many Babies are Born a Day? – TheWorldCounts
https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/toxic-exposures/polluted-bodies/how-many-babies-are-born-a-day
When the movers & shakers and policy makers in the U.S. (Henry Kissinger, etc.) decided that the rest of the world would benefit by being little U.S. "mini-me's," we had the so-called "green revolution," a major ramping up and export of U.S. Big Agriculture by use of petrochemical fertilizers and pesticides that increased crop yields, along with modern sanitation (and vaccines, some want to say) that consequently increased the human population and their desire to have everything that Americans have, including the overbloated lifestyle dependent upon petrochemicals and the burning of hydrocarbon fuels to keep that lifestyle going. Well, that made some money but it also made a lot of pollution and problems that come with overcrowding and affluence, as well as the death of nature.
Most of the human race is very very bad at seeing the unintended consequences of their actions, usually based on greed and laziness.
As a person living in a dominant Western society I'm just as guilty as anyone for being caught up in this too, too tangled web of overly complex society where many of the choices are made for us by corporate entities. These are essentially the modern-day "devils" that St. Paul spoke of (The World = Collective society's sin; The Flesh = Individual sin; The "Devil" = The Matrix, or Corporate sin).
Not long ago, First Nations peoples said that The White Man needs to dream a new dream. Instead, just like the monkeys with their greedy grasping hands firmly planted in the "goody" jar, completely unwilling to let go of the bait, even up to the very second they participate in the loss of their very lives, easily killed by the hunters who, understanding their preys' extreme greed, have trapped them this way, we've allowed ourselves to become trapped, living inside The White Man's warped and twisted dream, our worst nightmare.
Paul V.- Excellent reminder of 'The Population Bomb'. I read this book in my early teens. Of course, I read 'Silent Spring' earlier. Though I need to do my taxes today & beyond, I wiki'd 'The Population Bomb'. Author Paul Ehrlich's response to the outcome is interesting to note (his wife Anne coauthored book btw). He noted that his claim of the issue of overpopulation was correct, crucial, & timely. He also said ". . .the scenarios (not predictions) were way off. . .(we underestimated the resiliency of the world system) . . . but the issues- famine, shortages, interventions. . .were on target- my words).
Dennie- Your analogy of 'the monkey with hands in the jar' was a perfect choice for conclusion. You wove together an overview of how to unwind from this tangled web of deceit we find ourselves in, without mincing words. I hope many others will read your reply. The clearer the picture, the more we can make progress. To highlight two of your points.:
1. predator/prey relationship (human predator-monkey prey).
2. 'The white man needs to dream a new dream"
I'll share one more book that Paul V. also will back me up on. Ishmael by Daniel Quinn (DQ). Your reference to prophet St. Paul ties into this. Quinn's claim is that the book of Genesis distorts & twists the view we need to have of our relation to the earth, that we belong to earth, not the other way around. So, basically, the story that tribe Cain enacts is the war story (story = culture), the story that tribe Abel (preyed upon by Cain) enacts sustainable culture, condemns this war story (told from point of view of the victim). The selfish war culture, is that we as humans are separate, creation ended with us. Then its our job to end creation DQ. I call this breaking of the law of life (limited competition– in Quinn's words) Hyper predation. Thus, a new dream, a new story must come about ASAP. We know about natural laws of things but are failing on the natural laws of life (relations among the living). As certain as the law of gravity cant be defied, we cant defy this law of the living (limited competition) or face near term extinction.
To wrap this up. A few years ago one blogger on this web site said something like this. 'We are living off the dead' (fossil fuels). He felt overwhelmed. Dane replied similar to what he said in this GA news- We need to keep our focus on what is in our control . . .to awaken the sleeping masses . . . not to become debilitated/overwhelmed by what we cant control).
As several people touched on here…..the crisis of dying trees and the forest floors accumulating layers of leaves, needles, bark mixed with the spray from above (containing aluminum), has been proven to be dangerous in an unlikely way. Those familiar with the Calif. fires and an untold number of deaths and houses and cars burned beyond recognition will be interested to know the accelerant causing that extreme rapid devastation was the aluminum in the spray being used on us. There is now a documentary of the investigation into why the Hindenberg disintegrated so rapidly. On recent testing of the original fabric covering the airship, it appears one of the coatings was an aluminum paint. No one could understand, til now, why the Hindenberg's flames were massively orange but the hydrogen gas in the ship is only known to burn….blue. So clearly those of us near woods need to stay safe and be aware of the danger. I believe we watched this on tv on either Prime video or You-tube.
Hi Everyone, myself, I am a firm believer in organic and microbes. I have been making sure to water my 25 years plus organic yard. Trees and bushes near your home will shade, keep cool, keep toxins from the air out, the leaves catch it and it shuffles down to the ground and hopefully get negated by the microbes. Despite all the dumb things (I refuse to say "we humans" as we all know who the culprits really are) the power structure few do, I still have faith in the power of the natural world and do my best to cultivate it. Take care all. Thank you for what you do Dane and all of you.
I like how they changed the name of the virus…from nCOVID 19 to COVID-19. The "n" stood for novel. This is so the fact that it is biotech will get lost in antiquity, if we live that long.
I have been hearing and seeing the word "novel" in the news stories in conjunction with CoVID-19 on KQED 88.5 fm radio and in our Marin IJ for at least a week. I've also seen the name of the virus spelled "2019nCoV." Like Centigrade and Celsius, it would appear to be the same thing we're talking about..
Has anyone here taken air samples? If not I think we should take air samples everyday. I am betting this COVID-19 is in them. Or some other thing to "help things along". Don't worry the bunker set will get their comeupins. Taking care of the open environment is the only salvation. I have studied this for years. We simply cannot duplicate the earth's systems well enough for survival.
COVID-19 seems to be a virus that targets government officials of foreign countries most heavily: https://themindunleashed.com/2020/02/vice-president-among-seven-iranian-officials-to-become-sick-with-coronavirus.html (…gee, wonder what it would do if it got loose somewhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington D.C… probably works better at effecting change than an election in November every 4 years…)
American prophet Ralph Nader weighs in on tRump, from Common Dreams, Feb. 29, 2020:
"Trump is now doing what all dictators do when they take power: he is purging the civil service of any critical voices of those who simply want to do their jobs. These civil servants made the “mistake” of enforcing health and safety laws that the supreme leader wanted to go unenforced to benefit the President’s big corporate buddies and donors. The government employee unions are not doing enough to fight back and explain what Trump the tyrant is doing to harm people—Trump voters and anti-Trump voters alike. Trump and his cronies are making America more dangerous again by scuttling protections that reduce deaths, injuries, and illnesses.
Whether it is the air you breathe, the water you drink, the vehicles you ride in, or the toxins in your workplace, Trump’s corporatist wrecking crew is running federal agencies into the ground. While corporate outlaws fill Trump’s coffers and hotels with riches, he gives them huge tax escapes and starves infrastructure. The word “corruption” cannot fully embrace how this insulting megalomaniac is tearing apart our country, our democratic practices, and our moral norms. Protections for children, the elderly, veterans and workers are all on Trump’s chopping block.
Who will stand up to this horrible bully who is intent on rolling back America’s gains and the anti-monarchy purpose of the American Revolution itself?"
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/02/29/american-fuhrer-delusionary-dictatorial-donald-trump-drunk-power
Ralph Nader along with Mark Green has co-authored a new book, titled Fake President: Decoding Trump's Gaslighting, Corruption and General Bullsh*t
The sad part is I do not think it is even malicious. It is just plain stupidity and ignorance.
Voting provides the illusion of choice, when there really is none. Complicity alone explains the mess we now find outselves in.
@ Steve Olsen, it's called a double bind, illusion of choice where there is none.
…"The Fool on The Hill?" Kinda has a whole new ring to it "across the pond here" these days (…at least we could all sleep soundly knowing for sure that "The Walrus was Paul" 😉
@ Dennie, From the Guardian (March 24, 2017) concerning Harvard University's solar geoengineering project that would “. . .simulate the atmospheric cooling effects of a volcanic eruption … tests could involve seeding the sky with aluminum oxide – or even diamonds.”
(Ever the Beatles fan) — Lucy [Lucifer] in the Sky With Diamonds?
“Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.” – John Lennon
@Blue Sue: Very good, but I don't think John really knew all that much if anything at all on this subject matter. "They" got him for just daring to point out what a f*cked up world we live in and it doesn't have to be this way– "Don't like the message? Shoot the messenger!" Great, huh?
It would be refreshing if we could leave party politics off this site. If Dane is to get unity and cooperation from everyone, please have sense enough to realize that in the U.S. there is a two party system…..and each side has at least 50% of the population.
halturnerradioshow.com has additional information that adds to the things that Dane has been talking about regarding the Covid 19 virus
The trick well not really a trick just common sense to surviving this novel virus is maintaining a healthy immune system. It appears that the data is showing if the data is trust worthy that 80% of people get over it like the common cold. The other 20% are immune compromised and are having complications and death. So take control of your health now prepare and don't stress, stress is the killer. I recommend the following now I'm not a health care provider so use some products with caution and get advice..
– Vitamin C (high dose)
– Spirulina
– Licorice root
– Selenium
– Elderberry
– Olive leaf
– Astragalus
– Colloidal silver (nanoparticles)
thanks for your advice. I believe you are right. I think these products are good for all people per protezione e rafforzo del sistema immunitario, especially spirulina, colloidal silver and vitamin C with ribose.
I'm greeting from Italy
Going to add to the list, raw garlic is an extremely potent antibiotic, antiviral, antibacterial herb and has saved me on many occasion when I had corticosteroid induced infections. That, and keeping your immune system healthy with organic fermented foods, as most of your immunity resides in the gut.
Hi all,
Here's the biggie I've been waiting for: according to I95rock (of all sources to ackowledge this), Connecticut is at threat level when it comes to dead & dying trees!!! And that nugget comes from Eversource Gas who has to deal with trimming and/or removing said trees. A little late in noticing but finally.
Get this though….they're blaming the gypsy moth and the emerald ash borer! Right!!! Go back to sleep everyone, it's just a bug killing all our trees! I'm not saying that they play no part but no mention of spraying and increased methane in the environment?
We had the warmest Feb in memory. When we've had warm winters here in Ct at least you could count on Feb to come in and provide some balance. Not this year. We had multiple days reach 60! Yes, SIXTY!!! I'm outside doing yardwork in Feb!
Even on cold days the sun's rays are really warm while in the car. That was never the case before. I assume the ozone is still disappearing.
I respect the deep insight of Dane & all the commenters so I won't even touch the lab created Coronovirus or our faux economy. The powers that be are increasingly telling people to prep, which yeah, at surface level is a good idea for a normal crisis. But this is FAR from normal. Where do you hide when the whole house of cards is coming down?
Sometimes I wonder what the point is of knowing all this info. Yay, I figured it out! I'm now part of the Cassandra Effect!
Well, ain't dead yet……so, keep what faith there is friends.
It's been downright summer-like in Northern California last week and the week before. Also the driest February on record since something like 1865. Now we have a "weak weather front" going through and i was much colder (translated: Ice-nucleated) yesterday, though warming again today. I could feel the ice nucleation chemicals on me last night, even in the house– had to get up and put a winter-weight blanket on top of my other blankets. Wish there was a way I could keep even more of this crap out of my house– 9-point weather-locking doors, the kind they use in passive constructed houses to seal outside air out? Probably cost a bundle.
re blaming other creatures for tree death – here comes the old nonsense
any tree under stress already will be attacked by insects – easy target
just recently heard lord somebody in the house of lords saying how his father cut down a whole stand of oaks (native) in the 1930's and replace them with chestnuts (not native) and now the chestnuts are dying – and there was a general oh dear how sad!!!!!!!
aaaaaaaaahhhhhh – stupid…….
but then another clever ol' lord geezer said his land had too many grey squirrels (not native) and how tasty they are and everyone laughed at a silly ol' fool – not so silly
crazy, crazy
when i was studying geography went to west end to look at condition of trees – we were all given a section – i didn't see one that wasn't under stress – i was the only one who saw the real state – all the other students didn't
same as when i studied herbal medicine – i was the only one who has worked with plants and knew them already
people are so ignorant of the environment – breaks my heart
Recent observations from Chicago area and beyond: People are generally still sound asleep or pretending to be asleep. Not coincidental to be sure is the timing of the legalization of marijuana here in IL. to aid the still slumbering. Lost to everyone amid this frenzy is that it is still illegal to grow just one plant in one's own backyard. In other news, although the '80 days of grey' psychological assault combined with the artificial cool downs have started to abate, people around here and on the net still think that if there are no visible plane trails, there must be no spraying going on. This unfortunately is all-too-revealing that people are not taking the time to investigate information that has been freely provided to them, nor are they thinking and feeling for themselves. For example, although I do own a weather meter, I do not need to consult it when my nasal passages are screaming from dryness on days when there should be ample moisture in the air (e.g., on overcast days or after rain/melt-off events). People have lost their sense of what natural weather should be like. They absolutely do not notice the blindingly bright skies and unnaturally dry air. It used to be that when cold fronts were approaching, the wind would kick up for a while before the temps dropped. Now, the cold 'drops' from the sky. I have been outside at night time with no to low wind conditions, watching the planes disburse their payloads overhead, and within minutes I can literally feel burning sensations on my nose and cheeks. Another thing that is going unnoticed I've found is the ongoing 'shrinkflation' at the grocery stores. No one seemed to notice how the 59oz carton of 'not from concentrate' OJ is now only 52oz. The price of course, is still about the same. Approx. one cup less for the same price. I asked an older gentleman making his OJ selection if he had noticed. He sounded a bit surprised when I nudged him, admitting that he had not noticed at all. Of course, we here know this is the downstream consequence of manufactured wind events which knock off spring blossoms affecting not only orange trees but others around the world such as olive trees as I have read about right on this forum from someone reporting in from Italy, I believe. A final saddening observation is that a particular pine tree which is used frequently in this area for borders and privacy breaks by both villages and subdivisions, is suffering greatly. I am not positive of the variety, but most I see are trimmed up from the base (I assume from previous die-off) so that their shape is more like a deciduous tree. Since I see this tree everywhere I drive (I drive for a living), and it is winter-time, it is easy to see the extensive browning of these 'evergreens'. They look absolutely sickly everywhere I go and some are completely burnt out grey/dead. Blue spruce appear to be hardier in this area, but some I see are suffering from top-down burn-out. It's like a real-time horror show, Dane. I've lost a longtime friend in Tampa area who didn't want to hear about Irma and hurricanes making near-right angle turns. (I'm sure it had nothing to do with him putting his lucrative job with JPM in jeopardy…) and a family member who is a horticulturist and just "didn't want to hear about it.'' Everybody's doing the 'monkey's three'; perhaps you could call this reality horror show "the night of the living Ostrich People." Carry on, good people…
World wide people are aware of under ground living quarters which have been prepared for the "elites." People can hear digging underground most likely to construct roads and living quarters for those who have been promised survival when the earth's surface becomes uninhabital. Many have witnessed people going into outhouses and then never coming out. World leaders and politicians visit Antarctica most likely to reserve living quarters from which they will rule what is left of our world. Read "Under Ground Bases and Tunnels" and "Underwate and Underground Bases" by Richard Sauder, Ph.D. Also check the "Stop the Crime" web site to learn about an endless supply of clear fresh water deep under the earth's surface. We, the "useless eaters" are destined for elimination but the "elite" are planning to survive whatever happens to the surface our planet.
In my view, the so called elites are so different from the rest of normal humanity, that they are for all practical purposes a separate species and an evolutionary dead end. They have three qualities that will ensure their rapid destruction no matter how technologically proficient they are. Namely, a lack of empathy, irrational greed and a need to be in control, no matter what the consequences. They had better hope that a lot of normal humans survive the unfolding catastrophe, otherwise, they are just parasites destroying their host. A race of only inbred psychopaths will not last long no matter how clever they think they are.
DUMB s. Deep underground military bases
They are going to get their reward too when the time comes. What is dished out eventually comes back like a boomerang
"They are going to get their reward too when the time comes. What is dished out eventually comes back like a boomerang."
Well, not always…. anyone read the book of Job?
dear lorraine
has no-one told them that it is all connected hahahahaha dumb aint the word
criminally insane i offer
anyone who thinks the world won't spit them out if we don't stop this insanity is nuts – do they know how shallow the crust is – hahahaha
of course they don't – 'they', like my neighbours, have no clue about the outside of us, and spend their lives in mean and spiteful ways
humans – wonderful and dreadful
with much love to all my friends out there – on the outside in more ways than one
Hello Dane. What do I think? Here goes. My observation and reasoned speculation. (Of course not the "full picture.") 1. The mobsters and their stooges are now battling among themselves, for what resources and power still remain. 2.Biosphere collapse, as you have so rightly warned, is imminent. 3. The rise of China militarily, technologically and economically should be noted. 4. China`s expansionism into areas such as the South China Sea, Asia, Africa, South America etc, should be noted. 4. American economic decline, political madness and civil unrest, within its borders should be noted. 5. Statements such as "America will never allow Iran to possess nuclear weapons", should be noted. 6. Iranian claims that the US is using geo engineered warfare against their state should be noted. 5. Indonesian claims that China has been using geo engineered warfare against their state, should be noted.6. Media reports of Indonesia seeding their skies with salt, to mitigate such attacks by China, should be noted. 7.Russian technological superiority, expansionism and resilience to "sanctions" should be noted. 8. The deliberate and calculated release of a genetically engineered pathogen, within China, initially, should be noted. 9. The horror story that is China now, and hidden so extensively, by governments, media sources, etc should be noted. 10. The apparent reluctance of the WHO to officially declare this bioweapon infection, a worldwide pandemic should be noted. 11. This weapon appears designed to infect silently, and over a extended period of time. 12. The weapon appears in its preliminarily stage, to be more lethal by design, against older human beings. This should be noted. 13.The weapon appears to be a consolidation of the testing of previous pathogens. i.e. Sars Mers Ebola etc. This should be noted. 14. The weapon appears by certain design characteristics, to remain in the infected hosts, even after the so called curing of it. This should be noted. 15. Recently the weapon has been described by some (Australian government advisors) as the next Spanish flu. This should be noted. 16. Infection has occurred in some parts of the world with no known and or suspected method of transmission. This should be noted. I will stop here. So what do I conclude? A. The mobsters ( oligarchs/planetary governments) and stooges, are at war with each other. B. Collectively these sub human monsters, are at the same time, indeed "culling" us. C. We are being "culled" silently, slowly, methodically. In such a manner, that the war of extermination against us, is manipulated and fashioned, in such an insidious manner, as not to scream, war at all. D. Geo engineering has always been a weapon of war. And this weapon is now being used to its full potential. E. Bio weaponry has always been a weapon of war, not defense. The deployment of Covid-19 will be followed by other pathogens, should this one, not have the desired outcome. F. A massive planetary depopulation, and a consolidation of mobster power, as the planets succumbs to its poisoning. Accomplished by extermination, suppression, selected assassination, economic destruction, collapse of social order etc.
As you so rightly say time and time again. We do indeed live in dark times. And yes we do indeed live on a planetary asylum.
Like many others I now look on in disbelief at this surreal, and horrid nightmare, all of us, now find ourselves entangled in. I go into my yard and hear the laughing of the child next door. My little dog looks up at me with those loving and loyal eyes. I watch a butterfly gently float by, and wonder if this will be the last one, I shall ever see. I turn and see my mother in law and my wife, come out to see, what I am doing. While I hear my idiot daughter, fighting, with her long suffering, fiancee. In this instance, I savor life and feel alive. For a brief moment I half heartedly convince myself that if I just stay quiet and not be noticed, that all will be well……And then I hear the drone of those cursed sprayers. I look up….into the already white misty sky…and watch as more poison is sprayed upon us. I feel the anger boil in my veins..I feel the shame of being asleep at the wheel…while all of our futures were being stolen from us. I turn and look at those that I love…a great sadness overtakes me, and I have tears in my eyes….And at that moment I say to myself….THOSE BASTARDS WILL NOT WIN…
All of your enumerated observations have been duly noted and certainly predicted by many in-the-know people for quite some time, including the people writing the actual scripts such as Zbigniew Brzezinski, policy adviser to several presidents and author (now deceased) of the 1997 book titled The Grand Chessboard, which we have seen unfold in front of our very eyes; Henry Kissinger and others. All of your points, and more, were very thoroughly summarized in the New York Times best-selling book from 2004, Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the end of the Age of Oil, by Michael C. Ruppert, a copy of which is in the Harvard business school library for essentially proving the Iran-Contra and C.I.A. drug dealings and infiltration into every branch of law enforcement, as well as the events of 9/11, using government documents and credible witnesses.
Thank You Dane and to everyone who shares information on this sight. I so appreciate Susan's post today and the article she refers us to on "pandemic bonds". It sheds the light on what is going on in the cover up. What a sick economy we have. I have no empathy for those loosing money in the stock market right now. We need it to all fall down so we can build a new economy based on sustainability not massive growth. What there is left to sustain. Keep the truth telling coming. I like so many others on this sight are truth tellers. Like many of you I won't stop talking to others about all of this.until my last breath. It's our only hope.
Here, close to Toronto, Ontario, Canada I am seeing fewer trails. Could be related to China and the CV. Less coal fly ash for the geo-engineers as a result of the supply chains from China being down.
To ALL, Dane touched briefly in this broadcast about how the forest floor debris is not decomposing. Not turning into soil ya might say. This is and will escalate to be a huge problem on a planetary scale as things continue to warm up. Especially in the far northern and southern latitudes. I've known of this problem for over 30 years now. All of us have seen how quickly and rapidly a dry and finely torn clasp of birch bark can burn. Species may vary by region. But none the less, that is 110% of what I am staring down the barrel of. Right out my front door. With all the ill health of the "forest growth" combined with how there is SOOO much debris on the forest floor from pine cones to layers upon layers of needles combined with layer after layer of aerosol fall out. Next thing ya know there'll be a head line where some kid started a forest fire lighting up a pop corn fart! All kidding aside, how drastic does it have to get to move folks out of their comfort zone? We're finding out in real time, for sure. I heard a quote the other day where in it was stated, "mankind has evolved faster than mankind can adapt to". Put a little extra juice to an electrical component and watch what happens. Same thing is happening to us all and we're taking our one and only home down with us. Sad, so sad. Even I who is probably more unplugged from modern life than most feels the ever increasing velocity at which we as a whole, are going to go through until the end or are able to endure what's left of this once abundant and life giving home we affectionately call earth. Does Vegas take bets on where a wild fire will start? I've already lost a bet for lunch this last week. (It'd be nice to pay the due). I've got an inside on a "good bet". "The west is going to fry this summer". North to South my area is already primed and a few more weeks and we'll be beyond dry. How much smoke can you choke down? I've had more than my share. It ain't fun. Lets not forget how the far north west went from snow melt to wild fire season very quickly last year. I theorize that the polymer fibers and maybe even the surfactants in the chemical ice nucleation mixes are indeed quite "flammable". Complete with super low ignition temperatures. Folks, you'd have to know what you're seeing. I've burned some burn piles already this "spring"(February) and they all took off like a rocket, seriously. The first 30 minutes of each burn was quite spectacular. Odd to see such a big fire surrounded by snow 'and' a fire that was covered by snow just a short few weeks before. Lets keep that fact in mind here. It's funny, if left to her own devices, our mother earth would harness all the smoke from all the fires and turn it into rain! Rain in places that would be grateful for it. Now if only we could erase the nuclear threat and chemically eradicate all "germ" "conflict". Would inducing an ice age cure these problems? 200 ft of snow or not, "as above, so below". I just can't say for sure, can you? Don't know about you folks, but I have a serious problem knowing that our home has great potential for becoming "Venus". Anyone got a lower bottom line than that? We must ask ourselves, "what is actually motivating us?" Now be honest, simplify and get back to me next week……
Love and strength to ALL, 'a' simple horseman
Hi, 'a' simple horseman
I live at 5,000' elev. in the southern cascades of California. My husband and I have already been 'bringing out the dead' and cremating them in anticipation of the never-ending fire season here. We have been lighting and tending burn piles for almost a year in an attempt to protect our precious forest and watershed above the property. Last year we manually cleared two acres beyond our own .33-acre parcel on the edge of the forest. We have already done an acre in the last month. Every time I take a pitchfork full of long-dead detritus that the microbes haven't been able to get to and place it in the flames, I think of myself as Earth's cremator. It saddens me greatly, but I can't think of a more helpful thing to do at this point: I must replace the work of microbes now! They used to take care of all this for free, but since they've been exterminated by geoengineering and electrosmog, it is up to us to take care of this task. It humbles me. Imagining what these 300-1,000-year-olds have witnessed, I talk to those still living, explaining that I am so sorry for all their friends dying. The trees also communicate; to my great surprise and puzzlement, they broadcast absolutely no emotion of bitterness–just pain and a calm and stoic patience, also gratitude. This more than anything broadens my sense of oneness with all life on earth as I go about this unfortunately necessary task.
I have relayed this perspective to anyone in my small town who will listen, sparking questions about the massive tree deaths people can no longer ignore. Most just want another explanation, but I keep trying.–Jan Becker
Dear Jan, Thank you for your reply. 5,000 ft ele down your way is about equal to my 3100 ft ele at the 49th parallel. Though I live on the east side of the cascades, it matters. This region was once the "3rd" precipitation fall out from the ocean. Never before has there been flooding on the "west side" and 'not' been above normal snow pack here. I've watched the "doplar radar" images closely and it seems as if "they" can make the cascade precip just disappear and then reappear further east of my region. Shouldn't weather fronts roll over the land like a blanket? Interesting your thoughts on "tree communication". I'm right there with ya except myself, I feel them crying out to what ever nourished them before. All my ponderosa trees(which is what my property has the most of) are suffering greatly. The best looking one on the whole 20 acres is 50 ft right out my front window. "It's the standing tree". It's where the Mustangs stand very often to keep track of me and be in the shade or shelter from rain or snow. It's an odd tree in that it splits a foot above the base and branches into a single and a double up growth. Nature would have culled it long ago but it has been properly pruned. I cut off the branches close to the ground. The Mustangs rub on it. They scratch and rub there everythings all over it. The bark is much thinner than the other ponderosa as a result. I say it is the healthiest because it has the deepest colored needles. "Like they used to be". It's only 27 years old. As short and small as it is, it's the only one on the whole place I can't see through. Well not entirely, it's a pine. A note about how the tree got it's name. It's where the Mustangs "chose" to be. There's been lots of times when they would come running up from the lower slopes and come to an intentional and highly animated halt at that tree. "The safe zone". We all have one… It is good that you cleaned up more than your share of land. Especially where things are tight. Please factor in that any fire will probably be accompanied by high winds. Seems to be there MO. Make sure you don't have anywhere where flying embers can circle and fall to the ground. I can't stress that point enough. There is absolutely nothing that will obstruct "flow" anywhere near my cabin. Take care of places that embers could blow into and be blown into further ignition. This includes the eaves or over hangs of our buildings. I did a lot of investigative research after the Paradise fire and lived through the Okanogan complex fire(1.5 million acres) before that. We all should take note of what burned and more importantly, what didn't. I drove by the wild fire count board that's just out of town. It was at 66 for last year. I told myself that "they" won't change it to current year until there is a cause. Well, today it read "2!!" WTF!! It's March 2nd everywhere in Washington state. "It's not fire season", right? But it is!
Love and strength to you, Jan Becker, give my best to your husband.
Dane, Thank you for yet another grounding, truth telling, laying it all out there broadcast. My Saturday afternoons wouldn't be devastated with out it(grin). I must state, it is good to listen to someone that is also staying up on "current events". Much of what you broadcast I already knew. It does me a world of good to hear someone else that feels and understands as well as I do, say their piece. Again, thank you.
It sure is nice to see 3 familiar faces at the Gem Faire booth this week. Excellent efforts my friends I have not met, yet. I sure wish every Gem Faire event had such volunteers. You girls make me proud. What a great commitment and effort the Gem Faire group has produced. I'm proud of and grateful for them. I got a jump start from "them" 3 1/2 years ago and I haven't let the grace I received go cold yet(wink).
paulcraigroberts.org has some interesting articles on Corona 19
thank you so much Dan for everything you do. I hope people listen, I hope people wake up!
Renata from Italy
A Scheme Like No Other
Is Wall Street Behind the Delay in Declaring the Coronavirus Outbreak a “Pandemic”?
A little known financial mechanism set up by the World Bank could be behind the decision not to declare the coronavirus a pandemic reports Whitney Webb
Mint Press
A little known specialized bond created in 2017 by the World Bank may hold the answer as to why U.S. and global health authorities have declined to label the global spread of the novel coronavirus a “pandemic.” Those bonds, now often referred to as “pandemic bonds,” were ostensibly intended to transfer the risk of potential pandemics in low-income nations to financial markets.
Yet, in light of the growing coronavirus outbreak, the investors who purchased those products could lose millions if global health authorities were to use that label in relation to the surge in global coronavirus cases.
On Tuesday, federal health officials at the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced that they are preparing for a “potential pandemic” of the novel coronavirus that first appeared in China late last year.
… It is possible that concerns over using the word “pandemic” could upset global markets and lead to economic turmoil, similar to what happened to the U.S. stock market following the CDC announcement on Tuesday. Though such concerns are valid, there is also evidence that a particular class of bonds issued by the World Bank that are closely related to official declarations of pandemics may also be responsible for having steered WHO and CDC officials away from using this term, even though the consequences of doing so could negatively impact global public health.
Pandemic Bonds: a “scheme like no other”
In June 2017, the World Bank announced the creation of “specialized bonds” that would be used to fund the previously created Pandemic Emergency Financing Facility (PEF) in the event of an officially-recognized (i.e. WHO-recognized) pandemic.
They were essentially sold under the premise that those who invested in the bonds would lose their money if any of six deadly pandemics hit, including coronavirus. Yet, if a pandemic did not occur before the bonds mature on July 15, 2020, investors would receive what they had originally paid for the bonds back in addition to interest and premium payments on those bonds that they receive between the date of purchase and the bond’s maturation date.
The PEF, which these pandemic bonds fund, was created by the World Bank “to channel surge funding to developing countries facing the risk of a pandemic” and the creation of these so-called “pandemic bonds” was intended to transfer pandemic risk in low-income countries to global financial markets. According to a World Bank press release on the launch of the bonds, WHO backed the World Bank’s initiative.
However, there is much more to these “pandemic bonds” than meets the eye. For example, PEF has a “unique financing structure [that] combines funding from the bonds issued today with over-the-counter derivatives that transfer pandemic outbreak risk to derivative counterparties.” The World Bank asserted that this structure was used in order “to attract a wider, more diverse set of investors.”
Critics, however, have called the unnecessarily convoluted system “World-Bank-enabled looting” that enriches intermediaries and investors instead of the funds intended targets, in this case low-income countries struggling to fight a pandemic. These critics have asked why not merely give these funds to a body like the Contingency Fund for Emergencies at the World Health Organization (WHO), where the funds could go directly to affected countries in need.
Notably, WHO determines if a pandemic meets the criteria that would see investors’ money be funneled into PEF as opposed to their own pockets, which would take place if no pandemic is declared between now and when the bonds are set to mature this upcoming July.
In 2017, the news site Quartz described the mechanism of “pandemic bonds” as follows:
… The first bond raised $225 million and features an interest rate of around 7%. Payout on the bond is suspended if there is an outbreak of new influenza viruses or coronaviridae (SARS, MERS). The second, riskier bond raised $95 million at an interest rate of more than 11%. This bond keeps investors’ money if there is an outbreak of Filovirus, Coronavirus, Lassa Fever, Rift Valley Fever, and/or Crimean Congo Hemorrhagic Fever. The World Bank also issued $105 million in swap derivatives that work in a similar way. (emphasis added)”
In 2017, the World Bank issued $425 million in these “pandemic bonds” and the bond sale was reported to have been 200 percent oversubscribed, “with investors eager to get their hands on the high-yield returns on offer,” according to reports. The premiums bondholders have received thus far were largely funded by the governments of Japan and Germany, who are also the top nation-state funders of WHO behind the United States and United Kingdom. …
Some analysts have argued that these pandemic bonds were never intended to aid low-income pandemic-stricken countries, but instead to enrich Wall Street investors. For instance, American economic forecaster Martin Armstrong has called the World Bank’s pandemic bonds “a giant gamble in the global financial casino” and a “scheme like no other,” recently arguing that these bonds could present a “a structured derivative time bomb” that could upend financial markets if a pandemic is declared by WHO. Armstrong went on to say that it is in WHO’s interest to declare the coronavirus outbreak a pandemic, but noted that, in doing so, they would cause bondholders to take significant losses.
… The WHO’s decision to refuse to use the “p-word” may be the result of several factors, though the pandemic bonds loom large as a $425 million incentive for not doing so. While avoiding the use of the term may please pandemic bondholders, it is set to have major negative consequences for global public health, particularly given the fact that early action against epidemic and pandemic outbreaks is widely considered to be an imperative.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/wall-street-behind-delay-declaring-coronavirus-outbreak-pandemic-bonds/265264/
Johns-Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Statement about nCoV and our pandemic exercise: http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/newsroom/center-news/2020-01-24-Statement-of-Clarification-Event201.html ….maybe they just shoulda called it their Statement of Plausible Denial..