Dane Wigington
GeoengineeringWatch.org
In regard to critically important issues that have extreme ramifications, live on air debates of verifiable facts are absolutely essential. Global climate engineering programs pose an immense and immediate threat to the Earth’s life support systems (and thus the entire web of life). A live on-air public debate has now taken place on WBAI radio in New York (hosted by Geoff Brady) in order to specifically address the ongoing global geoengineering reality. Cal Tech / Cornell / MIT scientist Douglas MacMartin says climate engineering is not occurring. Dane Wigington, lead researcher for GeoengineeringWatch.org (the world's largest and most visited geoengineering website) states available data makes overwhelmingly clear that global geoengineering programs have been deployed for decades with catastrophic results.
Who is telling the truth and backing it up with verifiable facts? View this fast moving 1 hour video and decide for yourself. Reading and reviewing the document excerpts shown in this video is essential, momentarily stopping the video in order to do so is recommended .
We must publicly expose academicians who are helping to cover the tracks of the climate engineers. Once the public is fully awakened to the geoengineering atrocities, those that are accomplices to the cover-up should be held legally and morally accountable in a court of law. All of us are needed in the critical battle to expose and halt climate engineering, sharing credible data is key.
DW
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It could be said that I am biased – in the sense that I started watching this program leaning towards the *you're a lying toad Mr MacMartin* (note: I am reluctant to include his appellation "Dr"), but… but… but… Good grief this guy is truly a disingenuous doofus – introducing material at 70,000 ft would keep it aloft for upto year(s), however at lower altitudes would only be efficacious for week(s). D'uh! Well is that not why it is repeatedly released at LOWER altitudes, every day?
Let us spend many minutes arguing the *vital importance* of "would be" vs "is"? Let us repeatedly alter the parameters of physical reality according to the particular narrative we wish to espouse – with special reference to the *skill* of spin (ie never answering questions directly, just stalling, obfuscating, misdirecting, opinionating or just outright lying).
As I said previously, I started to watch this (and have watched it all) with a degree of cynicism – bias if you will – however I tried really hard to take an equal impartial standpoint.
Rather quickly I found this nigh impossible. MacMartin is so obviously way out of his depth (one would have thought these people would have been trained to lie more proficiently!) What kind of pressures are being placed on academia (as exemplified by this *Dr*)? He seems uncommonly insecure and uncomfortable in this discussion – what restrictions have been applied to how he interacts with Dane? I mean c'mon now! For an alleged professor he comes across as being ignorant, opinionated and naieve (to put it mildly).
It really is no laughing matter, though I must admit I did chuckle (more of a derisory snort) several times during this conversation. If there had been a point scoring system of some kind utilised throughout it would have ended in a whitewash. Dane: 100 points. Doug: nil points!
Many years ago now I went for a job interview at the local nuclear power station. It was not a high ranked placement, it was part of the then government sponsored YTS (Youth Training Scheme) – peanuts for the monkeys, so to speak – to get to the point, I failed the interview. Years later I, by pure chance, happened to bump into one of the adjudication panel for these YTS placements. I asked him, out of curiousity, why I had failed the interview. "Because I knew too much"!! Now that is not to imply that I was/am in any way well versed of the intricacies involved in the production of electricity by controlled fission, rather that I knew ANYTHING at all! Especially associated hazards eg RADIOACTIVE CONTAMINATION. No thanks, we need blithely ignorant minions only (I could imagine the panel thinking thusly).
Compartmentalized.
Looking back I am infinitely grateful I failed to get the job – God only knows what dangerous tasks I could have been expected to undertake, after all I was only expected (required?) to be a blindly faithful little stooge. All the *compartments* acting within their own specific boundaries, and never to act/think outside them – that would imply free thinking and, heaven forbid, rationale.
I showed this interview to a friend of mine, without pre-knowledge of its subject matter. This person works as a voice couch, especially dealing with patients recovering from brain disfunctions such as strokes and similar injuries. His first unbiased opinion was that *Dr* MacMartin is lying. I tend to take very seriously his views as he has 20+ years of experience dealing with language (both spoken and unspoken – "body" language etc). I deliberately did not tell him what the subject matter was, to help prevent preconceptions.
This is an *older* presentation I know however contemporary links led me here and I felt compelled to comment.
Perseverance and strength to all.
Regards,
Andy
That was great debate and simply! Douglas MacMartin's soul has been bought to DENY the whole truth about geoengineering even it is happening till today.
One of the first
The first sentence of this review article describes geoengineering as:
"injecting reflective aerosol particles (or their precursors) into the lower stratosphere."
"An overview of the Earth system science of solar geoengineering"
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/wcc.423
Authors from Harvard, U of Oslo, Institute for Advanced Sustainability Studies, and Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (U.S.).
MacMartin sounds more like a lawyer trying to get a guilty client off on a technicality (that he pulled out of his ass on the fly) than someone trying to have a good faith, evidence-based conversation.
Every time Dane would ask Doug MacMartin a question, MacMartin denied the truth, by giving his own personal definition which did not answer Dane's question. MacMartin claims no one is doing anything to cool the planet and says that for aerosols to be effective they would have to be dispersed by aircraft at 60,000 to 70,000 feet for a longer residency, of up to one year. If these GeoEngineered trails do not work, why are they dispersing them at 25,000 feet! Again the use of non scientific terms are debunked on the internet. MacMartin explains to Dane about the atmosphere and clouds being non uniform and compares them to the aircraft trails. How can he compare natural clouds to broken/ dashed aerosol particulates coming out of an aircraft spray nozzles. Jeff Brady several times, had to interrupt the debate to tell MacMartin to answer Dane's questions straight forward without beating around the bush, like he did during the entire debate.
Thank Obama and the Pope for the Paris Climate Accord. Please read it, it says they will spray the sky with reflective materials. This is why its world wide right now. Almost all nations agreed to do this stupid act!
Is it not possible to prosecute these criminals for crimes against the Biosphere, Humanity and Nations??
I read a post here in the site where it was said that it is impossible to touch in the Government of the US through the Legal way, with Lawsuits ( with other words ). But this "government" does not respond to the Constitution. Is it not possible to prosecute the US as the corporation – USA, with its responsible and representatives? Maybe in this situation the legal frame could change.
As I see it, modifying the natural balance of nature on this planet, whether from 22,000 or 70,000 feet is, for all intensive purposes geoengineering. Those who participate in it are essentially one-third spirits–the right, not the left, hence never the whole–the up, not the down, hence never the whole. In their imbalance they seek to destroy the nature of this planet–to re-engineer it in an attempt to be whole–their distorted version of singularity. They are the same that make a seed with genes of self-destruction. They own insufficient wisdom. They see only hierarchy., animals are the lower form not to be honored. Those who are complicit, as they're have learned to be unwhole spirits, are blinded; their dominant side fed. They are best suited to live and conduct their acts confined to dead barren land–a desert, an asteroid or some planet. And, those who value life on this planet, who see their roleas true stewards, cannot be silent, willing participants.
It sounds like MacMartin's genre of geoengineering characterizes the lower altitude operations as ineffective where he hope to be effective which is how a proponent would speak. His community may be gearing up with David Keith to attempt the testing this year that needs to be cognitively managed as "different" than the lower altitude work to gain traction and acceptance. All operations effects cross over to other genres of approach as the system is a connected whole. Natural clouds were the most potent radiation budget changing phenomenon and the operations we have are at that altitude to mimick them. To deny this is blatant deception. The problem is that they are not clouds, do not have the properties of clouds, and do not integrate into the natural system; since they have been morphologically changed, altered in their phase change properties and cycles in a chaotic manner, with grid like energy direction imposed over these grids of trails, the natural geometry which convection columns create with water vapor have been destroyed. We all can see this. Water as the #1 GHG has also the power to allow cooling when it is naturally removed by a precipitation cycle and 6x heat venting is created naturally. It would be this phase of the lower system cycle that is destroyed now. No cooling windows are permitted except on stat holidays, and by then the residual optically clear water vapor is up there trapping the accumulated thermal energy from the daily heat trapping from operations. We teach about how the geometry of natural clouds and convection-precipitation cycles with the thermal releases would be far more effective if strengthened instead of destroyed and replaced with a high RH atmosphere obfuscated by polluting with thermally insulating particles that cause aerosol forcing which is a main cause of drought. the particles consistently slow thermal waves from leaving cleared air at near speed of sound ( 343 m/s), which is a speed of heat removal that is needed now more than ever.
"Free riding on our grand kids!" WOW!!!!!!
This 'scientist' is clearly floundering, and changing definitions as he goes to attempt to fit his weak thesis! GREAT WORK, Dane! This Doug should have been SO EMBARRASSED!!
The US was founded by the Judeo-masonic order. It is not a nation but a corporation from the beginning as there was no cloture vote for the federal government vs. a confederation of states. Alexander Hamilton w. the aid of Federalists sold the Bank of North America Corp and the First Bank of the United States to private bankers, 70% foreign, 20% domestic and 10% to the bank. The US went into debt to fund the goal of a new Israel and a new world order and was allowed by the creators of money and credit to do so. Find out the facts from the book:
"The First and Second Banks of the United States By JOHN THOM HOLDSWORTH, Ph. D. andDAVIS R. DEWEY, Ph. D."
as well as
" HISTORY OF THE BANKS OF THE UNITED STATES,
FROM THE TIME OF ESTABLISHING THE BANK OF NORTH
AMERICA, 1781, TO OCTOBER, 1834 :
NOTES AND COMMENTS,
R, K. MOULTON
The US and UK militaries worked to create Zionist Israel "History of Zionism 1600-1918" by Nahum Sokolow.
The US created the Bolsheviks in NYC by Jacob Schiff, Paul Warburg, Averill Harriman, Bernard Baruch and others under the Wilson Adminstration. The US funded and resourced the NAZIs as well via Union Bank Corp and industrialists as well as most of European states (Tanks of Germany could not run without engine berings from Sweden. Paneuropeans of Paneuropa.org were significant investors in NAZI Germany which was also masonic (Thule society is connected to the Theosophical Society which is the foundation of the New Religion of the NWO see Astana, Kazakstan. US also funded and founded Mao's cultural revolution through the Rockefeller Foundation and Skull and Bonesmen.
All of this goes back to the writers of the Talmud and Kabbalah. Every nation is now under the ownership of the central bankers. The US Hall of Honors is symbolically wildly masonic. This is why Harriman was the foreign rep of the Soviet Union while his friend Bernard Baruch coined the term "Cold War". They play both sides.
UK founded and funded the Young Turks who were British Subversives, as well as the Boer War, the Opium Wars with France, Dutch and US. All nations bow down to the central bankers via the fact they own the militaries of the world as well as the policy makers. Do you know who runs ALEC, SPN and ACCE? Kock Bros. Color Revolutions by Soros, presidents bow down to Sheldon Adelson. MIT has a direct connection to Israel via MITRE corp which helped design the 9/11 event (Rebecca Roth and others). Who owns the Roman Catholic Church? Rothschild!
All wars are bankers wars and we know who owns the media, money, credit, entertainment… Holocaust? Have you EVER looked at the opposite side? Hellstorm, the fact that UK knew German code in 1939, that the US planned the Katyn Forest Massacre (Per 7 volumes of congress in 1952 hearings).
Then there is the FACT that the US went into receivership in 1933 after the depression which was manufactured by Rothschild, Baruch, Warburg, Schiff, Kuhn, Loeb…
The Bankruptcy of the United States United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
"Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11 .. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner's report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933- Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.
The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: "The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States?'
Do you know that the US went bankrupt in 1871 and wrote the Organic Act of 1871 to stay afloat and Washington DC was created an the leadership of the US was overseen by a governor appointed by the bankers that they were in debt to.
Why the death of earth? Because the "animals" must be wiped out, and that means the People animals (Iook up Talmud definition of Human or read Ovediah Yosef definition of Goyim).
Wisdom is gone and the history is so wildly misrepresented and filled with lies that the US had to create a National Security State and the world had to create Holocaust laws so people could look at everything but that. Does that make sense? The world leadership and the followers of these lies would rather die than know or tell the truth.
Hello Jim Reinhart: Excellent post. There are many elements involved in the willful destruction of the American republic. Most civilians believe that America won the Revolutionary war. We didn't. The winners were institutional banking cartels, "property" insurance interests, and individuals well staked in the London stock exchange. The legal backdrop for all corporate forms of political and social control can be traced to items such as this: Corpus Juris Civilis – Wikipedia
Complete text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_juris_civilis
Some end-time results: > Foreign ownership of U.S. corporations – SourceWatch http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Foreign_ownership_of_U.S._corporations
Excerpted from: Chicago Mercantile Exchange – Wikipedia
"Today, the Merc trades several types of financial instruments: interest rates, equities, currencies, and commodities. It also offers trading in alternative investments, such as weather and real estate derivatives, and has the largest options and futures contracts open interest (number of contracts outstanding) of any futures exchange in the world.
As a Designated Self-Regulatory Organization (DSRO), the CME had primary regulatory-audit authority over firms such as MF Global.
CME also pioneered the CME SPAN software that is used around the world as the official performance bond (margin) mechanism of 50 registered exchanges, clearing organizations, service bureaus and regulatory agencies throughout the world." [End quote]
Complete text: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Mercantile_Exchange
Money is power…
Thank you Jim and Paul, for documenting the TRUTH !
secrecy and corruption, under the protection of the masonic temple of crime and satanism, are the cause of the accelerating demise of the Biosphere ( Humanity included ), at least since the last 500 years ( when the empires of Europe began to form thanks to the brutal exploitation regime of slavery which was implemented by them in all Equatorial regions of the World, from the Americas to the African Continent, Southeast Asia, India and neighboring territories ). – The urgency is to expose them and beat them. This task will not be easy to achieve, but it will be worthy of trying.
… and nobody's so much as even noticed the underlying fundamental flaw in the entire System: The Infinite Economic Growth Paradigm. Every one of the countries that use that as an economic model eventually fail. It's based on the notion that somehow you can just keep making more and more and more money off of fewer and fewer and fewer resources, then you need armies to invade other nations and bully them into giving their resources to the strongarm "men–" this is where the United States is trying to go with Russia right now. Russia's full of minerals that the U.S. corporations need to keep churning out all their war machines and gadgets that everyone somehow "must" have. The wealth of nations is its natural resources, said Adam Smith. How many people ever heard of him?
WOW, very well summarized indeed!
Dane that was an awesome interview. You are a power house.
I don't believe any of the criminals supporting the "official"narrative should be put to death . In the same context as in the movie 300,when the Leonitis told the deceiving hunch back "May you live for ever". All the cover up cronies should be put on public display with a plaque describing there part in this assault on all life.
All us here are going to be put to the task of creating a new way of life (if any is left). Dane you are an inspiration. Thank you !
There are glimmers of light here and there: >
Big Oil and Climate Science on Trial March 30, 2018
“Climate change science is basis of San Francisco and Oakland's legal case against Big Oil companies, to make them pay billions for rising public cost of rising sea level due to global warming. In a surprise move, Chevron admits humans are causing climate change but says the company is not liable” http://therealnews.com/t2/story:21481:Big-Oil-and-Climate-Science-on-Trial
The Environ-mental Pollution Agency and Delphi method at work. Let’s get everyone to repeat the same balderdash. >
EPA staffers get talking points playing down human role in climate change – The Washington Post by Brady Dennis and Juliet Eilperin
March 28 at 6:19 PM https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2018/03/28/epa-staffers-get-talking-points-downplaying-human-role-in-climate-change/?utm_term=.1b36d779a367
Last but not least: >
Is There a Connection Between the Ozone Hole and Global Warming? | Union of Concerned Scientists
https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/ozone-hole-and-gw-faq.html#.Wr5cUcuG8dW
“Concerned Scientists”… Erm…
The weather is so bad here in Ohio,I think the dummies have lost control and now can't control it.Boy the amount of insurance money for weather related disasters is going to break all of us and bankrupt the country.Everybodys insurance on everything went up due to weather disasters.If you don't really know how to manipulate the weather,why are you fucking with it so much.Cause now the earth is fighting back and we are all screwed-thanks!
Looks to me like they grabbed all the cold air off of the arctic like when your wife grabs the blanket all to herself. This caused a rush of hot, humid air to invade the other side and, yes, things look really screwed-up. There's no textbook for controlling the world's weather, especially as it descends into oblivion. Imagine the fights between the mini-me's running that nut house and the tantrums they throw for never getting recognition for their "achievements."
Lee, Playing on God's turf, there are going to be some consequences, we are all experiencing some of what you are speaking of… It's the oldest game in their arsenal, first everyone has to cry out of a Problem, then the Oligarchy will offer up a solutions, at a very large cost. They want everything. I'm so angry because I've been around a long time, and this is #1 in their playbook plans.. I'm pissed because I can not get other's to see the same corrupt games that the military industrial complex plays! Oligarchy
electromagnetic warfare being conducted against the innocent populations, and the ones who are trying to warn the public. We can not forget that this electromagnetic warfare is connected in many different levels with the worldwide climate engineering program that is destroying the Biosphere and Humanity.
https://youtu.be/My5leLBbNqI
https://youtu.be/qj_QgFIqAdE
http://www.wifiinschools.com
I think it's terribly "funny" that, in one breath, we say that "they" have "complete control" over the weather, then in the next breath we're talking about how very out of control the weather is. In fact, "They" have simply gotten the weather to reflect how "They" behave: OUT OF CONTROL.
Comrade Pedro: Thank you for your persistence in exposing the dangers of wi-fi systems, military weapons (such as HAARP), and unregulated cellular tower emissions. Dr. Martin Blank is one of over 2000+ scientists who have documented evidence regarding the destruction of environmental life on planet Earth due to electromagnetic emissions. The damage on a human scale is horrific: List of chronic disease caused by or related to electromagnetic exposures http://mieuxprevenir.blogspot.ca/2016/05/root-cause-in-dramatic-rise-of-chronic.html
war propaganda 101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhGl03QFUi4
Horsegirl, I remember those days when the TV screens and airwaves were drenched with that girl's testimony, which proved to be so pivotal and instrumental to the warmongers agenda. How many PR firms have been and continue to be complicit in the shadow govt's policy making? This short film on the pernicious power of propaganda (rampant in the world, as always!) is a good one. Thank you.
Dear horsegirl and concerned readers: When posting links to YouTube videos or articles that may be politically sensitive: Please make it a point to include the title, the original date of publication (where possible) and a brief description of the content. I know this process takes more time, but links can and do "go missing". If you include the complete title and date, other readers may still have a method of locating the information in the future. I'm including the verbiage from your posted link so that readers are apprised of the videos' content: > Published on Jun 2, 2013
"Nurse Nayirah was a young Kuwaiti woman who, in the run up to the 1990-91 Gulf war, gave fraudulent testimony to a non-governmental Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990. She was presented as a 15 year old volunteer nursing assistant who needed to hide her identity for security reasons.
In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-Sabah and that she was the daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States and member of the Kuwaiti royal family who had been sitting just a few feet from her as she gave her evidence. It was further revealed that she was not in Kuwait at the time of the invasion and her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign which was run by the advertising and PR firm Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhGl03QFUi4
The video footage above was a "justification" for the complete overthrow and destruction of a sovereign nation. The film also made palatable the eventual assassination/execution of Saddam Hussein, (it's rightful leader and elected president) and the willful slaughter of over 1.3 million Iraqi civilians… The George H. W. Bush war of terror continues to this day…
To ALL my friends I haven't met yet,
"Gem Faire"… "It's a Big Deal!". The Gem Faire will have traveled from Eugene Oregon to Salt Lake Utah and back to Puyallup Washington, all within 2 weeks time. It's quite a haul my friends. I know for sure that there will be "3" people tending the booth, bell to bell all 3 days when Gem Faire arrives in Puyallup. "I'm still looking for that picture of "10!!" people tending the Gem Faire booth. My friends, face to face contact done well is what counts the most. If you'd like to debate that with me, fine, prepare to learn a thing or three. Gem Faire is a humble and great Warrior in this battle we all face. A Warrior does not ask for "assistance". Though when it is provided, it is welcome… "Get It?", Show up, make your voice heard!
What is Gem Faire? It does not exist on the east coast, the most heavily populated area of the country. I have such bad radiation/microwave sickness I'll never get to the west coast or any major city, ever again. It would most likely kill me. I'm extremely debilitated in public places where people are using cell phones/wi-fi. Here in central Maryland, we are heavily sprayed and microwaved day and night. We are being bombarded! We've been immersed in a polar vortex/cold spell for a month and there is a plan for more snow in the days ahead. Those involved can only be considered insane! I don't know how anyone sleeps. The microwave radiation causes burning illness throughout the night and nauseating illness all day long. Why is there no Gem Faire here? People do not understand what's making them ill… their beloved devices and technology! People are too distracted by their electronic devices to look up or even notice their surroundings. Most are blind and cannot/will not see. This earth/"man-made hell" cannot sustain life. I feel depressed. 🙁
Hello Mike, and I'm so glad you've discovered Gem Faire and have become a staunch ally. I've been impressed by their efforts for so very many years and it is good to hear your reports and encouragement. But, I've gotta ask, why this comment about warriors? It is not true. A warrior may say: who will ride with me?, or, who stands with me? And if he needs a horse, he asks for it. And of course, warrior wise, not all offered assistance is welcome. Crazy Horse was often chided for going it alone. As long as I've been at this site, it seems, and that has been in excess of seven years, Gem Faire has been there. Truly remarkable! I am thrilled you can participate and do well there. But, it is not war. I'd say more like a scouting trip! Or, a tribe themselves!
@ Kathy H,
Hello Kathy, Gem Faire is a wonderful large exposition/gathering of vendors who sell earth products: all kinds of precious and semi-precious stones, gold, silver, healing stones like Shungite (which mitigates EMR effects) and many other amazing arts and crafts. Gem Faire has been a primary facilitator for Dane's work and message to educate the public regarding the dangers inherent in Geoengineering. There is always a well situated (for customer traffic) Geoengineering booth at every Gem Faire to promote awareness, educate, and provide free literature and resources regarding this critical issue. Many of the those who visit this site have volunteered their time to help man these well-stocked booths and do their part in this battle against all life on earth.
I am sorry to hear of your suffering and pray that your ailing ceases.
God bless.
I emailed this Douglas MacMartin at Cornell to express my distaste for his views against Geoengineering truths.
This guy has emailed me back expressing further his ignorance and making light at all of us believers.
Here is his email. Please let him HAVE A PIECE OF YOUR MIND.
Rj. dgm224@cornell.edu
MacMartin kept saying, why would they deploy geoengineering at lower altitudes if they knew it wasn't cooling the planet. According to him only spraying at higher altitudes could potentially cool the planet in any meaningful way. This to me is the key to this debate. They know it's not working as far as cooling the planet, as Dane has talked about many times, it's intentionally misleading the population and buying time that's the answer. Chemical ice nucleation can TEMPORARILY cool things down in a certain area and can change rain to snow. This is a very effective way to mislead and confuse the population as to global warming and allows them to keep industrialized society open for business. He intentionally tried to make the absurd and illogical notion that geoengineering at lower altitudes could never happen because there is no desired effect as far as overall cooling of the planet. There are other very effective, from their point of view, reasons to implement geoengineering. They mislead the population, keep the financiers and the military industrial complex in power and they can deploy biological agents whenever they want. As well as weather warfare.
Yes, it became very clear that 1.) what we're seeing that looks exactly like geoengineering operations we've heard described are indeed occurring, and not at 70,000, but much lower, and 2.) just as MacMartin says (and the temperature records bear out), it won't (and does not) work. So why, indeed, would you deploy something that you know isn't going to work? Believe it or not, on those two very elemental points, there is agreement.
Why did this 139 IQ with private primary and secondary education refuse to participate in "higher education" ?
FOOLS like Mc Martin.
"Because he was smart enough already?" Just guessing(grin)…
It all depends on the "higher" education. I'm going to say that most kids have no idea what they'll really do when they grow up and get out of school. It helps to know what you like and what you don't. How many of them even know that? There are so many jobs now that didn't exist 30 years ago. Look around and see what we've got now, minus a grounding in the liberal arts, humanities and the Classics.
McMartin is an idiot.
Moderator (at 34:17): [Dane] represents a large group of people with similar concerns on this issue. What they're seeing seems to look exactly like the geoengineering operations being proposed… what do you suspect that people are seeing that looks almost exactly like some of the geoengineering operations being proposed?
Prof. MacMartin: So, first of all if somebody actually were putting something up into the sky, you actually probably wouldn't see anything at all… the contrails, that is water that is condensed…." So we're being told, yet again, that what we are seeing is "condensation," based on the fact that most academicians are saying exactly the same thing.
The water-vapor-and-cloud-condensation-nuclei excuse works pretty well in service of plausible denial when explaining this phenomenon to people who just want the sound-bite explanation, without even thinking to ask any further questions and doing any real research on their own– it's just way too much work for most idiots.
Dane and ALL my friends I haven't met yet,
Being the curious person that I am, I find it interesting that today is good Friday and tonight and tomorrow night is full moon, the second blue moon of 2018. Tomorrow is Passover and Easter Sunday is on April fools day. I wonder what ritualistic practices will take place in circles of the satanic power structure. What will be passed through legislatively right under the publics nose? Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I’m on the same page as you horseman. I would not put it past these psychopaths to pull off something big to keep the masses in a state of fear and hence easy to control and manipulate.
In his diary in an entry headed "Nice 22 January 1892", [Edvard] Munch wrote:
“I was walking along the road with two friends – the sun was setting – suddenly the sky turned blood red – I paused, feeling exhausted, and leaned on the fence – there was blood and tongues of fire above the blue-black fjord and the city – my friends walked on, and I stood there trembling with anxiety – and I sensed an infinite scream passing through nature.[9]”
The Scream by Edvard Munch, 1893 – Nasjonalgalleriet – The Scream – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scream#/media/File:The_Scream_by_Edvard_Munch,_1893_-_Nasjonalgalleriet.png
Hi Paul,
Thanks for this. I never realized that Munch had made so many different versions of this piece of art in various mediums, which to me speaks of the intensity of his awe and terror inspiring experience. Interesting that — "A simplified version of the subject of Edvard Munch's The Scream, considered by the US Department of Energy for use as a non-language-specific symbol of danger in order to warn future human civilizations of the presence of radioactive waste.
Munch's comment that you quote here makes one wonder just what kind of cosmic event transpired that day to effect such strange red skies, doesn't it? Perhaps an evil being announced his presence that day that penetrated the awareness of perceptive souls and creatures.
Hello Blue Sue: Yes. I think the "scream" was inspired by unfolding events in the world's financial hierarchy. The old royal families were moving underground, and the technological revolution was in it's infancy. Here's what I think Edvard Munch was channeling: >>> Excerpted from: World's Columbian Exposition
“Multiple tragedies marked the end of the fair. A smallpox epidemic that originated at the fair in midsummer spread throughout the city by early autumn. Then, just before the gala closing ceremonies were to be held, Mayor Carter Harrison was assassinated. Finally, shortly after the fair's close, a fire swept through the fairgrounds, destroying many of the buildings.” Complete text: > http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1386.html
I once had significant data regarding the Chicago World’s Fair of 1893, but am unable to locate it right now. One outstanding feature of the “Fair” was the incredible cost of the event at $55 million U.S. That’s right: $55 million. That’s an extreme amount of capitalization – much of it in foreign currency, and the event lost money…
So the weather has been overcast mostly since the snow storms, with the forecast of rain…some rain. The two out of the last three snow storms have failed…at least where I am.There are people in New England frustrated at all the snow this fake winter. Well…the baseball season started early this year…so they will have some peanuts and cracker Jacks and never look up, as the hypnosis to root, root, root, for the home team, takes effect. The forecast is for a sunny Easter Sunday. The cattle will be excited and graze quietly, while all their frustration from the fake winter snow dissolve into contentment….and the smiling clown hangs in the office window of the DHS, Department of Human Services…No joke. Everything is hidden in plain sight. Great debate, Dane…thank you, for your continuous, tremendous effort, for the greater good, to stop geoengineering. Over and out.
Is there really any difference between climate engineering and large-scale weather modification?
Looking at the antics overhead here today, and most of the rest of the time, the trails are definitely NOT up there at 70,000 feet, they are much lower. I don't think they are even 30,000 ft. high. This goes on all the time. The stuff starts falling right away and within 2 hours you're feeling it. So it does NOT stay in the air, correct. Still, I can't believe that MacMartin is not aware of David Keith's work.
"If you'd just shut up and listen you might learn something" is the kind of statement you'd lose your job over if you were hired to teach at elementary level in public school.
Today I watched a jet flying so low I could read the word "Emirates" on the belly. Before I had only been able to make out the letters after loading the picture into my lap top and zooming in. (I use a real camera) It was laying out a big fat aerosol trail, 4 nozzles wide. As the day progressed, I watched many more low flying aircraft dispersing aerosol trials, but not as low as Emirates Airlines this morning. Interesting that Emirates is "always" the lowest flying aircraft putting out aerosols. Mid East agreements sure don't make sense and they sure are hard on my environment.
4 nozzles wide on a 2 engine tanker/jet/flying thing…….
It's so obvious that MacMartin knows the truth. The proof is in the backdrop of his headshot photo, only thing missing is an actual airplane. https://www.mae.cornell.edu/people/profile.cfm?netid=dgm224
p.s. Has anyone seen/ heard about the Gucci spring campaign photo in Vanity Fair? https://www.wmagazine.com/story/gucci-spring-2018-campaign-ignasi-monreal
How more blatantly in your face can it be, for advertising? Geoengineering with domes and humans looking stupid. Thanks for sharing, Christina Parousis.
Christina Parousis, thank you for these links. Yes, much is implied in these two links. And it ain't pretty. In fact, the degree to which the psy-ops and disinfo are ratcheting up is mind-boggling. The Gucci ad is interesting. Some snot-nosed punks at some round table discussion at Gucci's corporate offices thought the idea of "chemtrail planes" would draw additional attention to their piss-poor ad by dint of it's (SRM's) controversial nature. Just another cheap-shot by the marketing industry to find ways to draw attention, be it negative or otherwise. I see this kind of thing EVERYWHERE now. The PTB are fighting back with everything they've got to counter the real fact that too many millions have gotten wise to their incessant bullshit.
Interesting that this morning I looked up both links Christina contributed. I chose to not reply. "I hoped that marc would chime in". Low and behold there are his words. Eloquent and relevant as ever. Thank you marc.
OMG! (my reaction upon seeing this image) this powerful painting seems to be cryptic coding for the elite/ & wannabees. Just wondering what they are trying to catch with those poles and nets, sitting HIGH, riding the CLOUDS (as vehicles? of their creation), with converging aerosol-dispensing jets above, a fashionable trio representing 3 races, facing 3 (capitol domes?) and one woman wears virtual reality glasses, her sweater's exposed brand letters: CCI (201 in Roman Numerals meaning what?). All subliminal messages to decipher.
Further down on the same page, check out: Ignasi Monreal's take on Hieronymus Bosch's The Garden of Earthly Delights for Gucci's spring 2018 campaign.
I am still shaking my head in utter disbelief at the immensity of Lucifer's power over people in this industry that influences so many of our young people.
Thanks for sharing Christina!
Hello folks from Southwest New Mexico, USA. Man, these lowlife workers of iniquity are off the chain-hook. They are spraying Northeast of El Paso, Texas 03-29-18 and just pumping that stuff SAG/SRM into their fake clouds trying to produce a cool down. It's pretty obvious how they turn on their spraying into their buildup of crap fake clouds and then turn off their spraying at will in a particular area concentrated on. No doubt there will be hell to pay for these evil works of deceit of such scum works. I never cease to pray over the evil done to us and this planet earth, our world we were given stewardship of. Right now watching "Capitalism: A Love Story" by Michael Moore on Netflix. It summarizes I guess could be the word how this country got to this point in time we live in the USA. Peace to all here….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reRlyvQvTng
It is incredible minds that can produce videos, music, "art" like in the video contributed, that keep me inspired to press on. I am older than my years, these things matter to one devoted to getting the word out.
Great Video, Dog!
The images, and subject matter, that Dhani Harrison (Beatle George Harrison's son) has chosen for this video of his song, which are so relevant to the content of Geoenginneeringwatch.org, demonstrate that Dhani Harrison recognizes that "It's Not Like It Used To Be" —
Dog thank you for sharing Harrison's music video here. WOW, such a story here, powerful in it's imagery and truth that "It's Not Like it Used to Be. " George's beautiful spirit shines on through the wisdom and talent of his son.
Blessing on the bees. Blessing on the natural world. I continue to pray for them and us.
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/odd-cloud-seen-to-the-west-of-phoenix-yuma#/
This evening 29th of march 2018, a double circle 'contrail' with 3 straight short lines parallel to the tangential from one point on the outer circle was on the sky! It looked idential to a synchrotron schematics… Radius of the circles ~5-10miles ( hard to say), epicenter costline between SSF and HMB. Half of the circle was made up of dark grey 'clouds', the other half white!! It is NOT A JOKE! In the same time while taking pictures, huge headache started to bother me, until now, actually..
Dane,
Thank you for your recommendation of "Momentarily stopping to review the document excerpts (as being essential)",.
I had already stopped the audio exchanges, many times throughout, of the broadcast that had been posted here before earlier on this web site, to review the audio exchanges themselves. I took the time to transcribe the audio of the broadcast, so that I could review it repeatedly.
I did this because I am seriously concerned about our world and what we are doing to it, rather than what we are doing FOR it. I do not want to talk about this issue to anyone without being completely confident that what I am telling people is accurate. The stakes are too high.
My impressions of these reviews of the audio (and of also being in contact with Mr. MacMartin shortly after his Congressional testimony, and his responses to me) in the spirit of doing my best to examine any/all sides of the issue, were/are:
Mr. MacMartin may believe what he is saying, but he is dismissing any other viewpoint that does not comport with his own. As in many debates,the same may be said for Dane, but Dane has verifiable documentation at his disposal.
I did not hear anything else from Mr. MacMartin that was able to refute anything that Dane presented. Watching the video here makes this even more clear.
A university degree is not proof of wisdom, let alone veracity.
Amen!
The majority won't and just don't geet it. Sad but TRUE!
It won't be long.
FRriggged''''''''''''''''''''''''''UP People
Does not matter
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Holy Mackerel Andy!
There have been planes spraying most of today over Tucson, in many different directions. Some are flying in patterns that make absolutely no sense if they were commercial aircraft, right over town.
Several appeared to be flying at lower-than-normal altitude while spraying, such that it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone who was watching them to say that there was anything "normal" about either their flight patterns, or what was being emitted from them.
The trails linger, then dissipate. Soon the clear sky has very odd, wispy clouds; then the cloud layers start to descend, then they eventually disappear. 2 hours later, the sky is clear again, where before there was "cloud" cover, where there wasn't before that. All in the same day. Where are the weather systems that are causing this?
It would be interesting to have Mr. MacMartin alongside, watching these planes in real time, and what they leave behind, and where thee clouds disappear to, and have him explain exactly what was occurring…
Since the material in these "clouds" does not last, (and that they are not at "70,000 feet", where according to MacMartin, they would stay for an extended period), they must be coming down to earth. This is scary.
I can't fathom why almost no one notices these things…
To all my friends here, please forgive the hit an run nature of my comments and my lack of replies. Thank you so much for your support. A young adult in my family who had conquered life threatening pediatric heart defects 23 years ago has suddenly discovered three new and serious heart problems at age 27. And we are sad, and very angry. . . . . considering
Parse this article, if you can, for me. It was too abominable and obtuse for me to even finish at this time. The very worst players, Bill Gates teamed up with David Keith, pretend to save the world with idiotic schemes while they make billions. They're All In THE RACE FOR WHAT'S LEFT.
They are astounding and utterly corrupt FRAUDS.
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_79200.shtml
'How Bill Gates Aims to Clean Up the Planet' March 26, 2018, by John Vidal/The Guardian, AxisofLogic.com
Hello Bella_Fantasia: Aye! Seems the (Hydra's) talking heads are all clicking to one another, but no one in the chamber is listening…
Key into comments at 3:05 regarding JP Morgan. It is not difficult to find names of CEO's and principal assigns within corporate structures. The international banking system is owned by (you guessed it) "families". >
Who Funds the World's Dirtiest Energy Projects?
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=20368
Mercuria Energy Group – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercuria_Energy_Group
Racketeering. Collusion. Espionage. Fraud. > Freedom and Justice… Erm…
Are Oil Billionaires Trying to Undermine Our First Amendment Rights?
Published March 17. 2018
http://therealnews.com/t2/story:21299:Are-Oil-Billionaires-Trying-to-Undermine-Our-First-Amendment-Rights%3F
Yet another chapter in the ongoing saga of What gives Them the Right! . . . . .DARPA and the Navy ghouls want to GMO (genetically modify) sea creatures to work as their underwater spies! They like the plan because these creatures will self-replicate–you know, like the American Slaves! Which begs the question, "JUST WHO IS THE ENEMY HERE?".
'The Pentagon's Scary Plan To Militarize Ocean Life' by Maia Banks (from Earth Island Journal) March 26, 2018, EcoWatch.com
https://www.ecowatch.com/us-military-marine-life-2551833384
Thank you Dane. This video is yet another nail in coffin of the false narrative these shills desperately try to push on the public. Very painful to listen to MacMartin use ad honim attacks when you kept cornering him. I believe those debates have brought a lot more people on board with this most important issue that affects ALL life on this planet.
Dane! I am Still laughing!! I know, probably Not what you want to hear but my God this was funny. I almost feel sorry for Douglas! You were like a Very hungry wolf, he was like Bambi in the headlights!! Clearly, not a fair battle!! Just based on what I've read of him, and a couple of emails two years? ago, and this, I actually believe this dude is clueless. I think he deserves major props for even doing this, much less being slaughtered. In the beginning you were like the new heavy weight boxer looking for a title and going at opponent so fast, so hard, he could not get a punch in. As much as I'd have liked to moderate, the guy who did, did a decent job I think. I mean it can't have been easy. By mid fight you'd won but it seemed unfair, as if you a heavy weight, him a light weight. You backed off a bit, gave him a tad of rein. To his credit, Douglas stayed in the 'game' and seemed to try, to even imply some openness. I am certain he will not forget this and will begin to do some serious research. I think he is as innocent as the..what?can't say driven snow anymore, what?..just as innocent as it gets these days for these days? Most do not get they are prisoners of their own game. F'ing Compartmentalization and Control over science! F'ing money! What entity funds his work? I could hear fear in his voice. When he researches, when he finds the truth, his world will unravel and his brain will break. Will he become one of us?
Oh Dane, I forgot to add that you did succeed in getting MacMartin to admit on air to all that indeed geoengineering is going on, as is legal state by state. That's gotta be a first from science and makes a beginning. To all who deny, I expect this, just this, would be a shock and a wakeup call. It may be that 'they' have been experimenting, that he may know this but be unable to say what and for sure. I know it sure looks like experimenting! Douglas must not get out often. If all these years, experimenting and perfecting, one might say it's not happening yet. And maybe their efforts broke things such that they feel it necessary to approach the public to suggest something More radical. Heck, with all these 'local' efforts happening Everywhere, what runs into what up there? Just stunning that he really doesn't get it about the contrails. But look what they did to GE in the beginning. Very soon, the military took over, separating scientists from the work they were doing! Not unlike separating people from Nature, from all things natural. That separates us from truth, and scientists from their truth. Someone asks can this be done? People compete to get the work. If they get it, they get just a piece of what is going on, and an issue within that piece to solve. That is that for most part. I think this very sort of problem solving can solve nothing, and is a big reason why we are up against what we are. No holistic thinking involved.
Good morning, Dane — Check out this article in this morning's online LiveScience news issue: "These Scientists Have a Wild Plan to Throw Salt into the ATmosphere. Here's Why" — they tell of the latest plan to "geoengineer" the climate to help "cool" the Earth. Crazy!! Can't be worse than what they are already putting into the atmosphere!! Great debate, by the way, but tough to debate with ignorant fools.
Great, so "they" are going to change Earth's chemistry by salting everything– what's that doing to do to the soil and how plants grow, now? Yes, "they" are preparing us to swallow the Kool-Aid. Frankly, I just don't think anyone much cares what goes on overhead, they're all much too busy staring into their mobile communication devices.
Salt? Toxic to Soil & Plants etc. etc.
On a related side-note, Italy’s parliament has just put out an 18-year study that (once again) reveals vaccines to be dangerous and unhealthy. I’ve been watching almost everything go wrong for so long (70 now) I’m kind of numb about it all as a psychological self-preservation strategy. I still “hope” enough folks wake up in time, though I doubt we actually have that much time left. We are witnessing the out-workings of karma on a planetary scale.
http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/mainstream-media-blackout-as-italian-parliamentary-commission-find-major-problems-with-vaccines-after-an-18-year-investigation-finds-higher-risks-of-death-and-illnesses-such-as-cancer-autoimmune-dis/
Orange Snow?
http://whoknewnews.com/orange-new-color-snow-europe-weekend/?utm_medium=email
Patent No. US5003186A: Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding for reduction of global warming, classified as follows: A01G15/00 Devices or methods for influencing weather conditions, currently owned by Hughes Aircraft and Raytheon Corporation, invented by David P. Chang and I-Fu Shui, intended to do the following: This invention relates to a method for the reduction of global warming resulting from the greenhouse effect, and in particular to a method which involves the seeding of the earth's stratosphere with Welsbach-like materials.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5003186A/en
I most especially find egregious Dr. MacMartin's smug statement that "Well, at least if you're fracking you get something out of it, right–? The people who are actually doing the fracking are making m-o-n-e-y." Thank goodness the moderator matter-of-factly adds "But it's a stoopid thing."
Just like the so-called "powerful" STOOPID White "men" whose paradigm he finds every kind of excuse to uphold, even as it crumbles because the idiot White Males in charge of Creation have used everything up, all MacMartin cares about is M-O-N-E-Y– as if that is the ONLY "real" measure of value. How totally SICK.
Thank you Dane for being such a relentless force of truth. I'm learning the true essence of courage from watching you as I stand up for this cause as a fellow soldier for Nature. After listening to this debate twice, I noticed that Doug talked about weather modification being real and documented. Can you or somebody else please explain to me what the difference is between geoengineering and weather modification. I was under the assumption that they are the same and that Solar Radiation Management and chemical ice nucleation were just two of the processes of geoengineering/weather modification.
Thank you very much,
Stephen
Hello, Stephan, thank you for your support in this battle. In regard to your question, the attached link should fill in some blanks. FYI https://dev.geoengineeringwatch.org/climate-engineering-and-regional-weather-modification-understanding-the-difference/
I gotta pound this drum some more: Civilian populations must become apprised of this insidious socio-economic disease. >>> One.) Delphi Method is used extensively in manipulations and forecasting models concerning private equity funds – hedge funds – reserve currencies and precious metals arbitrage. Two.) "Futures trading" is a gradient part of financial instruments such as the Sovereign wealth fund. SWF endowments and IMF "grants" represent Trillions of dollars in global revenues. It is instructive to notice how many international flags fly under SWF management.
Read complete definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_wealth_fund
There are big players in the game: > Excerpted from: BlackRock – Wikipedia
“BlackRock, Inc. is an American global investment management corporation based in New York City. Founded in 1988, initially as a risk management and fixed income institutional asset manager, BlackRock is the world's largest asset manager with $6.3 trillion in assets under management as of December 2017.[2] BlackRock operates globally with 70 offices in 30 countries and clients in 100 countries.[3] Due to its power and the sheer size and scope of its financial assets and activities, BlackRock has been called the world's largest shadow bank.[4][5] “
Complete page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackRock
Three.) There are no environmental "winners". >
In Alaskan Cities, Climate Risks Could Become Credit Risks https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/in-alaskan-cities-climate-risks-could-become-credit-risks/
Four.) The red herring instrument: >
“The Alaska Permanent Fund is a constitutionally established permanent fund managed by a state-owned corporation, the Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation (APFC).[1] It was established in Alaska in 1976[2] by Article 9, Section 15 of the Alaska State Constitution [3] under Governor Jay Hammond. From February 1976 until April 1980, the Department of Revenue Treasury Division managed the state's Permanent Fund assets, until, in 1980, the Alaska State Legislature created the APFC.[4] As of the end of 2016, the fund is worth nearly $55 billion that has been funded by oil revenues.[5] “[End quote]
See complete page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund
Mr. MacMartin ain't even on the radar…
@Paul, you got that right! MacMartin is a nobody in this picture. But hey, I read the most interesting thing that made me think of you. From a very recent article in Nation magazine by Lyle Jeremy Rubin, breaking down a new book: Race and America's Long War, by Nikhil Singh. Just Rubin's long cover of this was stunning in terms of American history from 'scratch' until now and all the presidents and all their men and the massive failures of the Democratic party as well as the Republicans, but moreover the entire propping up of Empire. For instance, "Bi-partisan development of COINTELPRO, the FBI program that illegally tracked and neutralized dissidents of the security state like MLK or members of the American Indian Movement." Or, "Viet Nam brought home militarized police and prisons, as Empire's left played the good cop." Just scratching the surface of a book I must read. Review concludes quoting MLK: "When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered….a Nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." The whole of this book gives a blow by blow of all of our wars and why and for whom, who did what when and who all is Empire. I felt schooled though I can barely repeat it well enough. From truly racist marginalization and profit in Asia, to Hawaii, to Puerto Rico, Cuba, to Indigenous peoples and slaves of all sorts everywhere, a white is right, nationalistic rationale for war for the sake of profit and total control. Just stunningly, sweepingly true. This incredible sense of entitlement these people front to divvy up peoples and put them to work. This has been on my mind lately. A lot. Who said we all must work, and the hours they say? We must do this and we must do that. And, we should take pride in doing our bit. Why? Pride in what? It was recently said that 85% of Americans live in cities, only 15% in country. Wow. Nearly a fait au complit. We are all being separated into nothingness. Some cogs, some spokes. Seemingly hopeless…..
Black Rock runs ALL the retirement investments from all Safeway stores, the main GMO food distributor, who placed its every single store right next to the pharmacy stores, lie Ride Aid, Wallgreens, etc.. Their food makes many so sick the the fastest convenient way is to get the 'medicine' just around the corner.. It was in one of the articles I read..
@Christine, I have to say that I do get many organic, GMO free foods from Safeway. Not so much at Trader Joe's or Whole Foods though!
"And by the way, it's not really a moral hazard, it's more like free riding on our grandkids." — David Keith
Moderator: The question is what would be the effects on human health… and in particular (sub-micron-sized) small particles of aluminum?
"…so, so let me be more careful here…let's separate out the toxicological… so the alumina we've only begun to research and published nothing. We haven't done anything serious on alumina and so there could be something terrible that we'll find tomorrow we haven't looked at." — David Keith
But WE HAVE looked at what small particles do to human health and it HAS been published. Including aluminum. Keith is well-known for not "looking up," in every way possible.
DW: So why does M.I.T. then, Doug state that, from David Keith….(on spraying alumina oxide all over the planet)… that geoengineering … would be incredibly cheap and easy– how do you refute that?
DM: Uh, the difference between the English tense "would be" and the English word "is…" that's not semantics… tense actually matters–the difference between something being possible and something being done… the proof that it would be easy is proof that it is currently easy today.. those are not the same thing."
HAH! I L-O-V-E IT!!! At 30" or so, we hear from Dr. MacMartin about the difference between something being possible and something being done. Reminds me of Bill Clinton saying "Depends on what "is" is" when he was being questioned about Monica Lewinski. UGHH!!!!
So many things wrong these days. We have a bunch of paid liars working for a paycheck and a pension on so many fronts. Dane I am quoting you on that which I learned on listening to your great Saturday shows.
This man is a Horses Ass, just saying
Please!!.. Such a comparison is an insult to the horse! A most beautiful, noble, and magnificent creature. I have owned and loved several over the course of my lifetime, bred and raised 5 foals here on my farm and have known countless others. I would consider any of their asses to be much finer company than being in the presence of Mr. Mac Martin… but I get your point tho! ; ) Ha!!
Earth Angel, Thank you, I was hoping someone else besides me would hit this comment just as you did. "A horses ass is what gets you down the trail"(grin)…..
Wonder what the good professor would have said to me had he been my seatmate on a commercial flight westbound over the Southern Arizona desert a few months ago. Had he been looking out the window at the same time I was, he would have seen a commercial jet (a 737) cruising at about our same altitude going east, trailing a thick whitish/gray/dirty brown/metallic-looking stream of, um, something. Then, about 20 seconds later, he would have seen another commercial 737 (operated by the same airline) flying at the same altitude and following the same flight path as the first one, but this second jet was emitting NOTHING.
A quick and unbiased assessment of the situation led me to conclude that the first airplane was spraying something and the second one was not. However, professor McMartin would have probably told me that my unscientific "knee-jerk" conclusion reached solely from my simple observation was completely wrong. He would have probably explained that there are special vertical atmospheric anomalies (think elevator shafts) extending upward from sea level to 39,000 feet, and these shafts actually follow some 737s (but not others) across the country. The scientific conclusion is that the first plane was simply emitting a normal contrail while the second one was enveloped by a "non-contrail-friendly elevator shaft atmospheric anomaly", or NCFESAA. Apparently, every climate/atmospheric scientist in the world knows that.
I just listened to the debate and felt terribly disappointed. It would have been helpful if the host had asked more specific questions and directed the interview. Unfortunately much time was wasted on futile arguments such as semantics. It was clear to me that Doug MacMartin was unprepared, stalling and attempting to distract Dane from the truth. When he had been usurped, he just said…it's not his area of expertise. Dane, you talked circles around this so called expert. As with many scientists, they are but sociopathic juveniles playing games, extrapolating and experimenting with no regard to consequences. How on earth does one respond and debate with people, especially the so called "experts" who just flatly deny that geoengineering is happening? What can you do with that?
"As with many scientists, they are but sociopathic juveniles playing games, extrapolating and experimenting with no regard to consequences. " 🙂 Well said, Louise Neufeld! Thank you.
I believe he knows its happening but was just playing dumb about it. His arguments were ridiculous and I have a hard time believing a Cal Tech professor could be that ignorant about it knowing who he knows.
by exposing their fraud of their own logic.. As mentioned before, Mr. MM states, that one needs to be extremely high in order to generate meaningful cooling effect of particles, which otherwise would fall down to earth. And yet, every aspect of geoengineering ideas about cooling started with volcanoes, which blow the particles all the way from ground into space, in the other direction! This contradiction is a clear indication that something with the hight attitude is NOT RIGHT. One the other note, there is a new development going on:
https://www.space.com/40056-air-breathing-electric-thruster-test.html
There is massive spraying here today in southern Portugal. It started out a lovely warm day with blue skies . The sky is now a sick-looking "toxic- soup of poison. Something is making my brain feel zapped and a ringing in my ears from all the EMF. The weather forcast says cloud and sun. (Totally man-made.) Many people frantically cutting down their trees to avoid government fines and summer forest-fires. Still so many seem unable or unwilling to see what is unfolding in the sky above them and connect the dots.
Nina, people are following the damn pamphlet from the state that is circulating, and they are cutting down even Trees that are protected by Law, like Oak Trees. Also fruit Trees are being cut down. Pure insanity. Nobody remembered to consult the Law to see which are the trees that are subjected to this kind of actions, and everything indicates that are only the eucalyptus and denser scrubs near roads and houses. The official pamphlet is misinforming people, by not giving the real information according to the Law, and also by giving contradictory information in relation to the very texts which are on the damn pamphlet!
We had frost here in northern California yesterday morning. Then the ice-nucleated rain clouds went away, and back to heavy spraying in hte morning, into afternoon. Now tomorrow's forecast says it's going to be 80 degrees Fahrenheit– weather whiplash, here we go!
Nina, It sounds terrible! The same craziness is here in CA. People are cutting trees like crazy. And if not that, the rest falls sick and collapses! It all brakes ones heart! Ringing ears, skin issues, eachy eyes, feeling sick, etc. is a new 'normal'… During an inventory 2 days ago, I noticed that the amount of dust on all objects, quadrupled, at least. It is a super tiny, SHINY dust, which covers everything and everyone.
So, So Awful Nina. You made me cry to hear this most Terrible News! I am so Sorry for the Ignorance that surrounds You in Potugal.
Overlooked perhaps… If particulates at 70000 feet would last a year, and particulates at 45000 feet would only last a week.. geo-engineering is conducted daily at times (not lasting more than a few day) and thus could be conducted at an even lower elevation given the potential frequency of delivery.. More fequency and less duration increases the mass of material used leading to the idea of 10+ megatons of materials which are, as stated, inexpensive..
Perhaps you could do some maths.. 10+megatons/ cargo capacity of aircraft to see how many flights would be required to delivered that much material.
Also If Prof. MacMartin was privy to such information he wouldn't be allowed to discuss with you anyway given the gag order mentioned.
Thank you Dane.
Bob your absolutely right. That’s why the aerial spraying is going on over and over, at a lower elevation.
Paul, BINGO !
https://youtu.be/xYpQJp19jTQ
In one part of Ukraine they tested the orange snow, and the result is positive for:
iron oxide, zinc, and manganese.
Maybe "Iron (III) chloride" as you said in your last post?
Objective – the killing of the microorganisms of the Water and soil, also the most fragile little creatures.
Sorry, but denigrating and venting against the likes of Mr. MacMartin, will not serve to eliminate the willful destruction of your planet. Don't bother wasting brain cycles throwing mud at persons who are already wallowing in mud.
The funding mechanisms behind planet wide ecocide are very sophisticated, and it is these (racketeering) mechanisms that need public attention and legal notice. I could post data all day long regarding operations which inject Delphi based psychological programing into mainstream perceptions and public debate. We are all being manipulated on many different levels. We need to focus on process… Here are suggestions toward productive resolution: >
Excerpted from: 15 U.S. Code § 2614 – Prohibited acts | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
It shall be unlawful for any person to—
“(1) fail or refuse to comply with any requirement of this subchapter or any rule promulgated, order issued, or consent agreement entered into under this subchapter, or any requirement of subchapter II or any rule promulgated or order issued under subchapter II;
(2) use for commercial purposes a chemical substance or mixture which such person knew or had reason to know was manufactured, processed, or distributed in commerce in violation of section 2604 or 2605 of this title, a rule or order under section 2604 or 2605 of this title, or an order issued in action brought under section 2604 or 2606 of this title;
(3) fail or refuse to (A) establish or maintain records, (B) submit reports, notices, or other information, or (C) permit access to or copying of records, as required by this chapter or a rule thereunder; or
(4) fail or refuse to permit entry or inspection as required by section 2610 of this title.” [End quote]
Complete text: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/2614
15 U.S. Code § 2605 – Regulation of hazardous chemical substances and mixtures https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/2605
15 U.S. Code § 2606 – Regulation of hazardous chemical substances and mixtures https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/2606
15 U.S. Code § 2615 – Penalties | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/2615
15 U.S. Code § 330 – Definitions | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/330
And this: >
40 CFR – Protection of Environment | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
CHAPTER I – ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
CHAPTER IV – ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY AND DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
CHAPTER V – COUNCIL ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
CHAPTER VI – CHEMICAL SAFETY AND HAZARD INVESTIGATION BOARD
CHAPTER VII – ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY AND DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE; UNIFORM NATIONAL DISCHARGE STANDARDS FOR VESSELS OF THE ARMED FORCES
CHAPTER VIII – GULF COAST ECOSYSTEM RESTORATION COUNCIL
Hi Paul V.
As we all know, the chems we are breathing, are military tools.
They know more than us, and are still spraying all living on earth.
I wonder if Dane has charted the short term effect of stopping the geoengineering programs.
I want to stop it now, with full disclosure. We cant take the heat as millions have died already from engineered drought, and engineered crop fail.
It may be helpful if Dane could guess what it will be like if they stop cooling the planet with nano metals, EMF, bio, and the latest poison. (this is a topic that has been put on the back shelf).
If someone has an idea about when we stop the program, what will life be like.
I am not qualified, but my guess, we will be begging for chem ice, as I had wished for in Miami many times, as its so hot you dont care if the chems are killing you.
They did a great job making huge cooldowns about 20 times a day, last year in Miami.
Now I live in Cambodia. Yea they spray here.
Any one that wanted to move to avoid this, no chance. Its everywhere. Countries that cant afford to geoengineering, will be covered by the world government.
The last big spray job in this area was agent orange, carpet bombing with B52s land mines, special LSD, and torrential rain on the Ho Chi Min trail for 15 years. Fact.
Yea Hope to meet anyone that I can really talk with.
Better to have a really great time today.
Never give up your love to be free and happy better be dead than be a slave. Benjie.
As the masses are looking for food and shelter, its very easy to control them/us.
We do know, stratospheric injection of heavy metals is killing all living things.
Yea we really have never felt the heat, unless you live in a target or sacrificed area.
Dear Dane. Could you offer any guess as to what will happen when the toxic desperate attempts of cooling the earth nano sprays and EMF stop.
Hello, Benjie, in regard to your question, the attached link will provide more information, FYI https://dev.geoengineeringwatch.org/double-catastrophe-scenario-document-paints-bleak-picture/
This is not climate engineering, but I believe that everything in the World ( good and bad ) is interconnected.
This is very disturbing for many reasons, and happened in Russia ( what makes this terrible "accident" even more disturbing ).
Everything indicates ( so far ) that the masonic / satanic criminals which are not more than cowards that enjoy slaying children, have prepared once more a terrible sacrifice to offer to their un -god.
https://youtu.be/qcUOBDHvnxI
https://youtu.be/xgNTJjUC2s8
last reports are talking in more than 80 casualties, many are children. Unconfirmed reports are saying that the victims could reach several hundreds.
The last video is reporting about a gentleman who lost in this terrible fire his 3 children, his wife and his sister. His wife before dying, called to him and told that she and their kids were in the cinema and that the doors were locked. Everything also indicates that the fire alarm was turned off.
Putin's government gave thousands of free tickets for the cinema to all kids of this town, in celebration of the last electoral results.
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Happiness, Protection and Freedom to all Children in the World.
Spot on Paul, as usual.
Dane where they dig this fool up? Such a disgrace as a human being.Unbelievable.This man is a joke a bad one.Chew him up Dane.easy pickins.
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As M L King stated, "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
Douglas MacMartin is clearly sincere and from his limited perspective, conscientious, sadly he is also stupified by his self imposed blinkers.
Alexander, Mr. McMartian is a paid liar.
And thats all.
Mr. M's tone of voice is begging us to believe his lies. I shouldn't feel sorry for this little boy.(But I do)
I was the first to teach a Critical Thinking & Comp. class at SRJC, am the senior member of the English dept and have been a professor of Critical Thinking, which cuts across all disciplines and requires cross-discipline expertise. I read technical scientific journals regularly. I teach formal logic every semester and have been doing so for a quarter of a century and I can say definitively before providing the considerable and irrefutable logical proof that the simply technical logical performance of Prof. Mac Martin is below contempt. Should he submit those arguments in an essay in my CT class, he'd get failed. That claim isn't open to challenge. It's elementary. Let's review the case–it's almost too absurd–He defines geoengineering as only happening at an altitude he claims it can't be happening for effective solar radiation blockade to address the problem though he admits that "weather modification" is happening–his only argument is that the term geo-engineering as he defines its isn't happening. He doesn't deny something is–he's just quibbling about what to call it. But he uses that artificial reduction of the term as a premise for the conclusion that chemtrails full of barium, aluminum & strontium aren't being globally deployed and that all those skies are the result of condensation trails–an open and gross absurdity given the immensity of the evidence. When pressed on these questions he claims to be not an expert in the field much closer to his expertise than on questions he claims to be an expert of. He resorts to ridiculous alibis to dismiss what would count as clear journalistic evidence–non-denial by all the experts (two is sufficient to justify a major story)–excessive e-mail traffic?–how pathetic do you get? And then he retreats to the rabbit hole of saying that what the experts won't deny can't be true because they won't affirm it. The next time this guy steps into a classroom, the students would be within their rights to tar and feather him.
Prof. Giordano. As you know Students will do anything to graduate so they wont have to be homeless. So they just follow orders. Its the university system ( filter ) as Chomsky describes it. Free people will tell the prof to grow up. The rest will get a diploma. And could even be a paid mouth piece for Cornell or Harvard Not bad $200.000 +++ for reading a script.
Greed is much stronger now. personal integrity has little value.
The person that least deserves to have control of others is now the US top figure head. Signing war papers regularly
Thank you. Benjie
Prof. Giordano: WOW– Yup, yup YUP!!!
Benjie: We actually have quite a few homeless students– can't afford tuition, food and rent, too: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-cal-state-homelessness-20160620-snap-story.html. My Dominican University student who lives at my house says there are a few students at Dominican who are couch surfing in order to be able to attend college. Tuition and board at this small private school is near $45k per year.
Okay Marco, since you have the credentials, I've wondered about this en masse refusal to answer Dane's question of do you know about on going geoengineering? and not one saying no. To me, anything that is all or nothing at all is suspect. For all those many not to reply and say no, or, yes, or anything, to me it means that it was pre-decided not to respond to Dane/geoengineeringwatch.org As in an en masse refusal to 'play'. I would never have taken that as anything else. Why do you? Can you explain that logic please? I really do not get it.
Mr. MacMartin is another arrogant "intellectual idiot". Pretending not to know the facts and thinking himself clever and witty in his attempt to deflect Dane's straight forward presentation of the facts… it clearly did not work.
Mr. MacMartin should be ashamed to call himself a scientist or engineer. In my opinion he is nothing more than a propagandist for the ongoing geoengineering programs.
I hope Mr. MacMartin knows that every particle of aluminum that enters his body that his kidneys cannot filter (and there is a limit) will be deposited in his brain and bones forever – insidiously causing irreparable brain damage and weakened bones.
I remember beautiful NATURAL WEATHER as a child and young adult and I wake up every morning in horror having to remember that I may never be able to experience that again. It breaks my heart that my daughter and her generation may never know what it is or what it is like to have lived in a world of wonderful natural weather. SADLY, there will soon be no one alive that knows the beauty of living with NATURAL WEATHER.
Sean, fine comment, sir. Yes, it is beyond disturbing that our children and grandchildren will never know what we geezers have known. Having said that, it's not like I'm 140 years old. Even in MY younger years, circa 1950's and 60's, I experienced skies, storms, clouds and blizzards that were infinitely different from today's nightmare of manufactured filth. But even then the toll that manmade pollution was taking upon our planet was becoming an issue. But I have squirreled away in my memory absolutely exquisite experiences of the full range of planetary weather, a robust hydrological cycle, skies and clouds that were so beautiful it would take your breath away, a sun so yellow and gorgeous……..and……NO sprayed trails in the sky.
Dane, you were very skilled in this debate as evidenced by your composure when Doug fell on his face -and more. He may do better in career to work for Sesame Street – hang with the make believe puppeteers. The pretend. Imagination. Look how they manufactured the Julia special muppet (for accepting autism) Doug blew it as minutes rolled on. And, you had just done an hour prior with Paul Beckwith PhD; Ottowa & another denier type. About fell out when Doug googled up some debunk-has he NO clue on the workings of any 101 research ? It's rigged so badly-the first source is usually just junk, one has to DIG extensively. I lost count on how many times he tripped up. The semantics made him look just as he is– avoid, evade, dodge, and twist. Hope his handlers heard this debate. He has been horrid in back story emails – pestering , badgering, and it was so bad, a few of us wonder if he has a team of bullies to TRY to tangle with a few of us. So juvenile . Dane, your many visuals in this vid were ideal to drive home the points that needed to be heard, despite Doug's conduct. Painful to listen to liars of his kind. He showed his incompetency and lack of morals. Tribunals await for all criminals inflicting damage , harm and suffering. You have a wealth of knowledge and that is the power that crushed this Cornell Prof McMartin in debate. It seemed like he was strained to stick to a tight script- his voice confirmed he was sweating it. Every minute.
I agree with Doug as a scientist there is no geoengineering what is happening is chemical trails and everyone keeps avoiding what it really is happening Chemtrails I know no one loves that terminology in fact they hate that terminology but point of fact is that's exactly what it is and it's weather Warfare It's not geoengineering it's chemicals to induce weather climate.! These chemicals or particles or whatever you want to call them or here in our atmosphere to control the weather.
Joe, point well taken. But, it is important to use the proper terms. For yourself as well as those we come in contact with.
Prof. Giordano. As you know Students will do anything to graduate so they wont have to be homeless. So they just follow orders. Its the university system ( filter ) as Chomsky describes it. Free people will tell the prof to grow up. The rest will get a diploma. And could even be a paid mouth piece for Cornell or Harvard Not bad $200.000 +++ for reading a script.
Greed is much stronger now. personal integrity has little value.
The person that least deserves to have control of others is now the US top figure head. Signing war papers regularly
Thank you. Benjie
Joe its
geoengineering.
If you want to hinder the work of Dane and this site, then just use any words that you think are better.
The poor man. He probably has tenure. More mush heads will leave his class filled with nonsense. His understanding of Geo engineering activities is something like the main stream media's understanding of Transgenders. To him…no such thing as geo engineering unless the particulates are 12 miles high. On the other hand ; the mainstream media really believes that " Sugical Cross dressers " have really changed their gender. Go figure.
If that dude is a scientist, what a joke, he sounds like a 16 year old teenager! A disgusting pcs of crap!
@ Jeanette S: I'm afraid we have a whole new generation of psychopathic "scientists" who are going to try to "save the world," from… themselves, perhaps….??? Repugnican politicians Newt Gingrich (remember him, with his tantrum-throwing government shut-down? Does this guy know how to solve ANY problem?) and Jerry McNerny from CA, among others, are all for it; can't help but wonder how much stock they own in geoengineering companies? This article appeared in today's edition of the San Francisco (CA) Chronicle:
Next month, a Silicon Valley engineer plans to head out on a snowmobile from Barrow, on the northern tip of Alaska, to sprinkle reflective sand on a frozen lake to try to stop it from melting.
It’s part of a journey that began in 2006, after Leslie Field watched the climate change documentary “An Inconvenient Truth” and felt like she’d been “hit by a big fat truck.” Now, she hopes to gather global support over the next few years to ultimately cover more than 19,000 square miles of sea ice — an area about the size of Costa Rica — with a thin coating of tiny floating silica spheres, which she says will help reduce the world’s rising temperatures.
The cost estimate? $1 billion a year.
“I keep thinking, ‘If not me, who?’” Field, a former researcher at Chevron Corp. and HP Labs, said as she led a reporter through a wholesale flower shop that shares access with her office.
In the emerging field of geoengineering, which envisions large-scale efforts to fight climate change by directly manipulating the natural environment, Field’s privately funded Ice911 project is a small player. Under the Trump administration, these eclectic, messianic and mostly untested projects have been gaining unprecedented momentum.
For decades, scientists have warned that unchecked climate change will lead to catastrophes and have urged policymakers to curb greenhouse gases at their source. But politicians have dragged their heels, and under President Trump, progress has slowed. The Trump administration has challenged the scientific consensus on climate, moved to repeal curbs on power plant emissions, proposed sweeping cutbacks to renewable energy research and pledged to withdraw from global climate agreements.
Amid these developments, some close allies of Trump have taken a seemingly paradoxical stance: While denying climate change is a human-caused problem and rejecting proposals to cut greenhouse gases, they’re promoting what some experts worry is the risky solution of geoengineering.
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who has portrayed climate change as left-wing intellectuals’ “newest excuse to take control of lives,” has praised geoengineering for its “promise of addressing global warming concerns for just a few billion dollars a year.”
In December, Rep. Jerry McNerney, D-Stockton, introduced a bill seeking funds for geoengineering research and development. And in February, Trump signed a budget that includes tax breaks for new technologies to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.
“The future is bright for geoengineering,” Republican Rep. Randy Weber of Texas, chairman of the energy subcommittee of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, said at a hearing in November.
In the past, Weber has grilled scientists on “global cooling” and rejected a carbon pollution tax as “blasphemy.” At the November hearing, he claimed that yet-untested proposals such as “placement of mirrors in space” and “brightening the clouds overhead … could have a cooling effect on our lower atmosphere.”
Harvard physicist David Keith said, “There’s much more broad support for this than there was just two years ago.” Keith, who wrote a 2013 book titled “A Case for Geoengineering,” leads one of the world’s most closely watched geoengineering research projects. Later this year, his team plans to conduct its first outdoor trial, launching a balloon over Tucson to disperse substances such as calcium carbonate dust or sulfur dioxide to reflect the sun’s rays back into space.
The increasing interest in geoengineering, including from climate skeptics, owes partly to growing pessimism about humanity’s capacity — and will — to ward off the worst effects of climate change without some major technological breakthrough.
Over the past several years, scientists and entrepreneurs throughout the world have proposed more than a dozen kinds of geoengineering projects. One would send 16 trillion tiny robots into space to deflect the sun’s rays from the Earth. Another would build millions of wind-powered pumps in Arctic waters to push freezing water over the ice to thicken it. The “cloud-brightening” scheme praised by Weber last fall envisions shooting salt water into marine clouds to improve their reflective power.
These aren’t even the most radical ideas. Back in 1993, an Indian physicist considered whether the Earth could be cooled by somehow increasing the radius of the planet’s orbit around the sun. And in a widely condemned operation in 2012, a rogue California businessman conducted the world’s largest geoengineering project to date by dumping 100 tons of iron dust into the Pacific Ocean. His goal was to fertilize plankton to absorb carbon dioxide and then sell “credits” to fossil-fuel firms.
Solar radiation management proposals, such as the Harvard aerosol-spraying plan, have attracted the most interest, even while alarming some leading climate scientists.
“The idea of ‘fixing’ the climate by hacking the Earth’s reflection of sunlight is wildly, utterly, howlingly barking mad,” writes Oxford University physicist Raymond Pierrehumbert. He was a lead author of the Nobel Prize-winning Third Assessment Report from the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
He and other scientists say large-scale spraying of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere could deplete the ozone layer, harm some plants and animals, and benefit some countries, while causing droughts in others.
Field contends her Ice911 project, which she terms “Arctic restoration,” offers a safer alternative than solar radiation management, since it aims to restore rather than significantly change the environment.
Field began her research with buckets of cold water placed on the front deck of her home in Portola Valley, where she tested a variety of materials, including hay and daisies, to see how well they could prevent the sun’s rays from raising water temperatures. After settling on silica, she scaled up her experiments with trials on ice in California’s Sierra Nevada and on Canada’s Miquelon Lake.
Along the way, she raised funds from private donors, the largest contribution being a three-year, $1.3 million grant from a family foundation that she heard about through a wealthy friend with whom she volunteered at her sons’ school. Last May, Field and a small group of volunteers used an agricultural spreader, dragged by a snowmobile, to cover an area of ice the size of three football fields on an inland lake in Alaska.
Next week, Field plans to dispatch a buoy into the Arctic Ocean to monitor sea ice, and then return next month to try dispersing more sand on lake ice. She has not yet secured permits to perform tests on sea ice.
“Ice911 is the boots on the ground solution acting now to ease climate change by restoring Arctic ice,” reads Field’s fundraising pamphlet, in what she conceded in an interview was an overstatement. Ice911 has yet to have any impact on climate change. Before that can happen, she said, she needs to build credibility for her approach, which has yet to win respect from the so-called geo-clique — a small group of North American scientists who advise politicians and large funders.
Some scientists dismiss it as unrealistic and ineffective.
“This isn’t anything anyone is going to do,” said Ken Caldeira, an atmospheric scientist at the Carnegie Institution for Science's Department of Global Ecology at Stanford University. “It’s not that effective, and you’d have to do it over millions of acres.”
Many scientists say that a major danger shared by all these planet-hacking options is their “moral hazard,” an insurance industry term describing how people behave more recklessly when they know they have a fallback.
CLIMATE CHANGE
Harvard’s Keith, whom Time magazine honored in 2009 as a “hero of the environment,” gives voice, often simultaneously, to both fears and hopes for geoengineering. In the span of a single conversation with comedian and TV host Stephen Colbert in 2013, he called geoengineering “ugly” and “horrifying” but also said, “It might actually save people and be useful.”
“If we don’t cut emissions, we’re sunk, and it would be criminal if people use this as an excuse to avoid that,” Keith said in an interview.
He worries about the new momentum in Washington.
“In some ways,” Keith said at a conference last fall, “the thing we fear the most is a tweet from Trump, saying, ‘Solar geoengineering solves everything! It’s great! We don’t need to bother to cut emissions.’ ”
Katherine Ellison is a freelance journalist. This story was produced by Reveal from the Center for Investigative Reporting, a nonprofit news organization. Learn more at revealnews.org. The Reveal podcast, produced with PRX, is at revealnews.org/podcast.
[source article:] https://www.sfchronicle.com/science/article/Can-hacking-the-planet-ward-off-climate-change-12780532.php?t=6ae5212ef8
another story is went to seattle and one of the spraying planes was racing with us. Our pilots would NOT let that plane in front of us or above us. why? Must be good stuff in that "weather Mod" spray.
another question…if that spray that was sprayed on us on the freeway…if I asked you if I were going to die prematurely, would you tell me if I was…and then just ask the question…am I going to die prematurely from the wm spray?
a good book to refer non-believers to is silent spring by rachel carson. case after case of the gov't experimenting/spreading chemicals needlessly with devasting results. see what the gov't and sociopaths would not do.
I wonder if these debates are worth it. If they have gag orders they are not going to tell you what we want to hear. the other one beckwith? kept saying that geoengineering had to take place at 70K feet and then when dane said what/why are they at 40k and he kept saying that is weather control and that was not his expertise. some questions: what do you suppose is in the w. mod. spray? If hypothetically they were spraying the ge spray at 40k, what do you suppose they may do that for. and maybe it would be good to have some of us ask questions or relay stories. such as mine I was on the freeway going home and one of the silver planes barreled in from a diagonal across the freeway, when they were over the freeway they turned and flew straight up perpendicular to the earth. and all four barrels billowing down on the people sitting on the freeway. we were in a cloud of that [ ] and I KNOW it is metalic because the air was shimmering and the sunset was bright orange and mist clouds going across it were shimmering like a mirage or footage of Eiro Jima where they show the sunset. Only one thing shimmers like that -metal particles. Maybe something will jar loose when he talks directly to somebody that this has affected/harmed.
Thank you Dane, for sharing this important interview. Shame on mr. mcmartin for being either so cruel or so stupid and arrogant in his disservice to human kind and the biosphere. He is a liar and his lies have cursed him forever
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Thank you for your heroic stance with this credentialed idiot. F**k these people and their toeing of the line for the power structure.
I completely agree with Steve and many of the comments made. MacMartin is talking like a hostage who has a weapon pointed at him. He sounded guarded and desperate. I could only imagine the pressure the powers that be are putting on all these professionals So.Sad. Ultimately, they will have to live with themselves knowing that they betrayed Mother Earth and humanity and lack the courage to contribute to its highest good . Hope Doug has it in him to see the situation with his heart. I wish him well.
Loved the debate because it will cause more and more interest and open the truth of what the earth has and will suffer from these irresponsible actions…Dane, I highly admire for the work he is doing to fight for the truth and our lives and every chance I get I email my Congress person to stop this crazy chemical destruction. We must not become comfortable and complaisant in this work. Doug often couldn't defend his position..maybe he will rethink his views thinking scientists/govt can do no wrong.
anne
Doug was being just ridiculous. I think he's part of it, is scared and just trying to cover it up.
He's deathly afraid. You can feel it in his voice. He had his arguments and intentional diversions set and does a poor job of addressing any point Dane makes.
Agree Steve, I don't think he expected some of Dane's arguments and why he got frustrated. He had an agenda and it didn't work out. He can go blow his smoke outside not in here.
Golden number you have been blessed by GOD
MacMartin should remain in his Ivory Tower. The Titanic patience Dane Wigginton has displayed while trying to engage in a discussion with this person , even exceeds the fantastic patience and charity displayed by Vladimir Putin in the face of lies and provocations by the midgets who claim to represent the western Nations. Perhaps MacMartin might have had a slight dose of the Nerve gas that the British government will not allow anyone to examine….and which the POTUS also takes as an established fact. " Beam me up Scotty ".
WAKE THE FCK UP Sheeple
Epidemic Killer….. Fluoride……
Dentist's love it….
Money Money Money
Death Notice
No, the truth is the dentists are just brainwashed. Just like the physicians. This is the kind of crap they are still being taught in school. They are learning from Stooopid OLD WHITE MEN who care NOTHING about ANYTHING other than MONEY. Medical and dental students are just not being educated as to reality.
Everyone should go to YouTube and watch Death by Medicine, a documentary by Gary Null. It shows a few case histories, but I really have to wonder about the guy who had his father come live with him after his wife died when their house burned down (…how'd that happen?), gets him up there to Washington state, then decided his dear old dad needed to get in to a good doctor for a check-up including a blood panel. The doctor announces that the old man has pre-diabetes and that he treats disease aggressively, so he puts the old father on Metformin which causes pericardial effusion (fluid accumulation around the heart sac), then the old man developed atrial fibrilation from the Metformin so the doctor put the old man on Digitech, a digitalis medication which was eventually recalled, sickening and finally killing the old man from fatal arrhythmia. Next, the son's wife went in to see the doctor for jaw pain from malocclusion– now, why didn't she just go and see an orthodontist for her very large jutting teeth and get her teeth realigned with orthodontia? So she got put on painkillers, then they just gave her more meds for the "side effects" (translated: New symptoms) The benzodiazepine medications she was taking caused dementia and bad cognitive decline. She finally was institutionalized and put on all sorts of medications for the psychosis caused by the other drugs. Her husband had to fight with the doctors to get her off all the meds that were just poisoning her. Long story short, all of her circuitry's fried and she'll never make it back. Frankly, I really have to wonder why the son trusted these doctors so many times. It seems to me that he should have been paying much closer attention to the health of the people he claims to have cared about. Death by Medicine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRBvMQBucxg
And it'll kill a million people a year and then $10,000 next year when we put some more up there, I don't see the desperation to cool down the planet a couple degrees killing a million people every year and David Keith didn't mention how many people would get sick and all the and everything living would get affected when there's really there's no problem with the Earth heating up, the problem is everybody messing with the weather for decades and yes nuclear bombs tested none of that that's ever mentioned when talking about the weather issues. I really don't see any real God-given weather. I don't know what this guy is in charge of but I certainly hope it doesn't affect the whole planet because he certainly doesn't have any eyes in his head or brains. The part about geoengineering that's not going on whether indirectly or directly everything affects the planet. Glad you mentioned something about all those nuclear bombs tested since 1945, all that testing certainly did a little worldwide geoengineering I'm pretty sure. Then the guy contradicted himself about it being possible to even spray chemicals in the stratosphere, he needs to talk to. David Keith I'm sure they know each other well. Yeah, he got a little cocky there too, wouldn't want to talk to this guy much more, but you handled it beautifully Dane… The obvious thing is that not only are they reflecting the sun with little particles, they're totally blocking the sun with fabricated clouds engineering the weather at the same time. I mean has the guy noticed how the Sun is being purposely blocked lately? I've got plenty of photos of the sun being blocked from Jets. And he thinks all the streaks in the sky are normal? It really is just pure evil ,they've stolen the weather and this guy is just a stooge in my opinion.
What concern's me about this interview is that Dr. McMartin really doesn't know that Geo-engineering is occurring or is just plain lying either one makes me really concerned and scared.
Ayyy-MEN!
THANK YOU, DANE! I am so PROUD of you and how you handle yourself with such courtesy and calmness. That insulting man, Douglas MacMartin made a fool of himself. Even to admit he knows nothing about any Gag Order, then turn right around and look up whatever he could find to say it is false. STAY AT YOUR POST, DANE! We all are right with you. Blessings on you and your family and ALL you do to help us, the VICTIMS of their horrible Climate Engineering, and dumping such huge amounts of Aluminum, Barium, Strontium, on our EARTH! It was obvious he was getting nervous with your knowledge of all this Weather Manipulation. Prayers ascending for you! To him I say, "Be sure your sins will find you out." THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO!
In all of our current weather you find the heavy use of microwave transmissions to disperse moisture. You can see the pulses controlling how the precipitation mass moves. Sometimes they will 'Trap' a storm, or not allowing it to move, or they can direct more moisture into storms to cause our current flooding situations like Harvey, and many other storms that 'stall out' and dump inches of rain in one spot.
I've now listened to segments of this interview three times. It's gotten more difficult each time… Ugh! Like many academic victims, it would seem Mr. MacMartin has been "introduced" to the Delphi method, and he's been a very good student…
Delphi method is the art of creating artificial consensuses within a group. It negates individual experience and empirical fact, and replaces analysis with group think and group policy. Personal opinions are eliminated by silent vote. Members withholding agreement are eventually denied participation in future discussions. Delphi method eliminates the possibility of alien fact. Look up Delphi method and Rand Corporation.
thank you for putting in nice words my personal experience from many years. Didn't know that it is actually a 'method'..
Dane, What a terribly frustrating interview/debate this must have been. MacMartin is a horrible liar and was making me furious! I can only imagine your level of anger. Several times he openly admitted weather modification was taking place. I wish you would have had him expound on exactly what that entailed (in his mind and experience). I think he probably would have given the "pat" answer of cloud seeding, etc., but it would have been interesting to hear his response. Thanks for what you do and at least stirring his "pot"!
Tell Douglas MacMartin, “the emperor has no clothes. We are insulted by the lies.
Will somebody tell Douglas MacMartin, “the emperor has no clothes.” I do not have a problem with making a fool of himself and getting paid for it, but the global community has stopped laughing and realize what they are witnessing is obscene and insulting our intelligence and morals.
what a waste of time he is and telling someone to shut up really?
Well, there's certainly NO gag order on the Holy Trinity of geoengineering order-barkers Caldeira Keith and McMartin. Curious that McMartin is officially oblivious to Keith and Caldeira's work. Any idiot can Keith on record stating that it would be very easy to retrofit jet aircraft with tanks in order to spray "his" planet with 2 megatons of alumina oxide nanoparticulates, annually, and we've all seen N.A.S.A. satellite pics of the ugly streaks in the sky that sure ain't "clouds" as God made them ;-). Even more amazing is that McMartin apparently doesn't think the rest of us would be looking, but when you're a professional atmospheric Hit Man who needs a paycheck and a pension, of course you'll have to pretend to the public that you "know nothing" about this– it's not happening…..
Living in an ivory tower, MacMartin apparently never looks up. Probably works in a windowless building 😉 Never bothers to look at actual government reports documenting what's been going on. He has no facts and uses emotionally defensive techniques as "argument." Looks like a real loser to me.
Macmartin provided zero actual documented proof or referred to any qualified proof. He seems to think of himself so highly that he expects people "just to take his word" for it because of his academia. This guy is short fused and hates the challenge because it's "irritating to him." Another sold out and cynical man he is.
No gag order? The complaint on this website was easy to find: https://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/weather-service-employees-tethered-by-illegal-gag-orders.html
Great job Dane! You clearly won that debate due to the incredible store of credible evidence that you possess. It was obvious even the announcer found you to be much more credible.
We will continue to fight with you until the very end, or until we win.
It was physically painful to listen to this interview. Doug's blatant lies and contradictions are a discgrace to science. There is NO way that anyone over 30 has not seen a drastic change in the skies regarding not only the weather patterns and cloud formations, but the persistent contrails alone; and the fact that they occur in so many different colors, different lengths, from different planes, and irrefutably over regions that they should not be occurring due to humidity/elevation/temperature etc.. There is NO WAY, unless you are superman, that you can make out a plane's logo, nor fuselage or tail color/logos if the plane is flying at 30,000ft/28,000km…. yet, we see these planes all the time creating trails… that of course, become homogenitus clouds.
Hello Dane .. With that round off debate the only thing I can say who has put a gag order on his mouth never heard the likes (( science )) it's a joke I'm seventy and I never seen skies like it .. UK… he never answer the questions really what hell his going on with the skies looking like they do blanket if gray everyday more or less extreme temperature changes who his he kidding.. do they think we are all brain dead ? .. Brilliant job Dane blessing to you and your family for what you are doing
I was maybe 6 years old as the commercial DC-3s made way for commercial jet traffic. My best friend and I lay in the grass and watched this transition. We both wanted to know where the smoke from the tail pipes went. The first of the commercial jets did not leave any lingering trail in their flight path. Regardless of what the "experts say/admit, I am seeing a totally different process. At least whatever they are spraying, for whatever purpose, I am not blinded
Thank you, Dane. Prof. MacMartin went round in circles and argued points established 60 years ago and beyond; what is happening overhead is impossible to miss and to suggest that it does not affect the weather is ludicrous! Very frustrating to listen to that man, and you carried the geoengineering ball through an hour of fumbling that ball by another so-called scientist!
I also found it frustrating and extremely irritating! He spoke with a kind of voice tension that people have when they are consciously obfuscating, and had a ready-made answer for most of Dane's comments, even though he failed to address Dane's points adequately. He also seemed to take an intellectual and scientific high-horse posture throughout the entire interview, which failed miserably!
VSF: This is a new level of insanity. Imagine the particle pollution from these “tens of thousands of fuel-burning chambers high on the Tibetan mountains” — which traditionally are considered sacred.
Let It Rain: China Reportedly Building Weather-Control System Larger Than Spain – Sputnik International
The project involves installing tens of thousands of fuel-burning chambers high on the Tibetan mountains which will release particles into the atmosphere to allow massive clouds to form. China is building a low-cost rain making system to attract more rain to its Tibetan plateau. The country is the first in the world to attempt such a large-scale application of the technology. “The chambers burn solid fuel to produce silver iodide, a cloud-seeding agent with a crystalline structure much like ice,” South China Morning Post reported. This project could increase rainfall by up to 10 billion cubic meters annually, which is about 7 percent of China’s total water consumption. The chambers will be built over a total area of around 1.6 million square kilometers (620,000 square miles), which is some three times the size of Spain.
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201803261062923431-china-building-weather-control-system/?utm_source=https://t.co/Lvbur8Cubm&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=hdEG&utm_campaign=URL_shortening
VSF, Well, this can't help! GRR
The US Government Just Destroyed Our Privacy While Nobody Was Paying Attention
March 26, 2018 / Carey Wedler
(ANTIMEDIA) — While the nation remained fixated on gun control and Facebook’s violative practices last week, the U.S. government quietly codified the CLOUD Act, its own intrusive policies on citizens’ data. While the massive, $1.2 trillion omnibus spending bill passed Friday received widespread media attention, the CLOUD Act — which lawmakers snuck into the end of the 2,300-page bill — was hardly addressed. The Clarifying Lawful Overseas Use of Data Act (CLOUD) “updates the rules for criminal investigators who want to see emails, documents and other communications stored on the internet,” CNET reported. “Now law enforcement won’t be blocked from accessing someone’s Outlook account, for example, just because Microsoft happens to store the user’s email on servers in Ireland.” The CLOUD Act will also allow the U.S. to enter into agreements that allow the transfer of private data from domestic servers to investigators in other countries on a case-by-case basis, further globalizing the ever-encroaching surveillance state. The Electronic Frontier Foundation, which has strongly opposed the legislation, listed several consequences of the bill, which it called “far-reaching” and “privacy-upending”:
• Enable foreign police to collect and wiretap people’s communications from U.S. companies, without obtaining a U.S. warrant.
• Allow foreign nations to demand personal data stored in the United States, without prior review by a judge.
• Allow the U.S. president to enter “executive agreements” that empower police in foreign nations that have weaker privacy laws than the United States to seize data in the United States while ignoring U.S. privacy laws.
• Allow foreign police to collect someone’s data without notifying them about it.
• Empower U.S. police to grab any data, regardless if it’s a U.S. person’s or not, no matter where it is stored.
… In an age where the government already engages in mass surveillance and is eager to disable the people’s efforts to protect their privacy through encryption technology, it is unsurprising, albeit dangerous, that Congress continues to encroach on what little is left of safeguards against unwarranted intrusions.
http://theantimedia.com/us-government-privacy-cloud-act/
excellent comment couldn't agree more.
Frank Zappa Total Criminalization
Eventually it was discovered That God Did not want us to be All the same
This was BAD NEWS for the Governments of The World
As it seemed contrary to the doctrine of Portion Controlled Servings
Mankind must be made more uniformly
If THE FUTURE was going to work
Various ways were sought to bind us all together
But, alas, SAMENESS was unenforceable
It was about this time that someone
Came up with the idea of TOTAL CRIMINALIZATION
Based on the principle that If we were ALL crooks
We could at last be uniform to some degree
In the eyes of THE LAW
So new laws were manufactured
Making it possible for anyone
To violate them any time of the day or night,
And, once we had all broken some kind of law
We'd all be in the same big happy club…
TOTAL CRIMINALIZATION
Was the greatest idea of its time
And was vastly popular, except with those people
Who didn't want to be crooks or outlaws,
So, of course, they had to be TRICKED INTO IT…
Which is one of the reasons why
Music
Was eventually made
Illegal
VSF, son of a gun….yet, it was made rather clear at the beginning that this would be done. You can't protect your cloud. Of course they are close to taking the net too. I have quite the cloud. In my mind, it is pollution! Mostly is. I hope they have fun snooping. But, not fun at all, what a headache and a waste of time and money. Idiots. Almost as if J. Edgar was Baack…..
https://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/weather-service-employees-tethered-by-illegal-gag-orders.html
https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/24/14372940/trump-gag-order-epa-environmental-protection-agency-health-agriculture
Sadly, so much of our government operations are now secret, very secret. AND of course the government has always tried to keep knowledge from the people.
How many people understand Electoral College, Federal Reserve, Treasury and how they work. For that matter how many understand how most ANY government agency works and what the goals are and ever see audits to measure success or failure.
So true! I dont. Lol!
Unbelievable how these scientists think that they can decide for the world population to spray the skies. These geo engineers assume that the earth is heating up and they think they have the right to spray the atmosphere.
It is total irresponsible behaviour and they have no clue what they are doing and what the long term consequences are.
How can scientists think in their naivity think that they are doing good work while they are being used (e.g. by groups as the illuminati) … And what are they going to do when it appears that a gigantic damage has been done to people's health?
STOP THOSE LUNATICS !!!
Mr. MM fries himself actually, by first saying one needs to be on the height of ~60,000 feet in order to cool the planet, and on the other hand the particles floating from vulcanoes all the way from the ground, in the other direction, also have the same effect?? That's a logical contradiction (=>stupidity) of an MIT scientist, right tthere….
Erm… Oh ya. That gravity thing… Erm…
Wow Dane! How you keep calm when these side stepping over talking so called Sr Scientist talk in circles when debating you on simple questions of what we all can see everyday in the skies. Myself and the followers of the awaken GEW family support you and all you put yourself into. I've been awaken since 2014 and spread the fact based info you provided us for Free every chance I get. God Bless you and your Family Dane!
What calm? Dane came on like a storm hitting hard. MacMartin was punch drunk half way through!
But at http://climate-engineering.mae.cornell.edu/
Dr. MacMartin Claims: "You really shouldn't think of geoenginerring as setting a global thermostat – we can play with more degrees of freedom than that" – as if he has geoengineering experience.
NOAA addressed the volcanic activity issue at 2011 NOAA Study:
"The new study focused on the most recent decade, when the amount of aerosol in the stratosphere has been in something of a “background” state, lacking sharp upward spikes from very large volcanic eruptions…"
Randolph, Good point. Oooh, wish that could have been taken further. I saw a recent snow study that mentioned aerosols, but they meant dust, layered in snowpack. Funny thing though, this started showing up after 2012.
Dane, at 12: 07 Mr.MM says: to cool the climate by ANY MEANS is NOT a warfare!!?? has he any clue as to what these MEANS do to nature, human health, living processes on the ENTIRE PLANET????
He indicated already, if they have the money, they have the 'responsibility'…,.
The BBC recently posted an article about the orange snow that fell over Russia and Eastern Europe, claiming that the snow was colored due to sand blown from the Sahara. They made this claim without citing any sources other than unnamed "expert meterologists."
How can they make such a claim without having tested the snow to verify that it was in fact simply sand from the desert causing the coloration???
Hello Shepard, your points about the BBC report are absolutely valid. There is more information available on the orange snow event, I will cover this in more detail on my weekly Global Alert News broadcast.
Excellent debate, Dane! It's so difficult to get those in academia to see the light, even though both Princeton and Harvard are performing experiments on geoengineering to help cool the climate. I've read their articles, and written to them challenging them to acknowledge that this is already being done, yet they insist (when they respond to me at all) that all of this is still in the experimental stage. A recent Wall Street Journal article is one example. They must have some stake in the game to keep mum about what's really happening. I think the loss of their jobs is a big threat to these academic types.
THANK you DANE for new info! I'm personally facing right now the fraud of the official court members here in CA…Let's hope that the criminal killing of all of us through geoengineering. can be stopped, by a real law.
Hello Christine: No traction in California, eh? Erm…
Read carefully. Slippery when wet…
The Potential of Blind Collaborative Justice: Testing the Impact of Expert Blinding and Consensus Building on the Validity of Forensic Testimony | RAND
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR804-1.html
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